posted at 12/26/2010 9:47 PM EST
In Response to Re: awful
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: awful : LOL - love that picture. Had fun with it recently. Lets say a ball travels 40 miles per hour. That's 58 ft per second. Your picture shows a ball about a foot away. It will reach the receiver in about 2/100 of a second yet you expect a ref to call this. The timing was perfect. Further, as you can see, the defenders hand is open to the ball to bat it down (no hand on the receivers arm). He is playing the ball. This play will never be called in the NFL unless a defender is hooking the receiver as well or has pushed "through his back". The picture clearly shows the colts defender has done neither. Text book defense in that situation. Love when pats fans beg for calls in one sentence and then suggest the league is too tight on the rules in another. Perfect homer hypocrisy. Finally, the play you have pictured is nothing like the colts PI today. In the colts PI, the players were running free, with good coverage, frankly, but instead of just putting an arm out to impeded the receiver, as we frequently see uncalled, the defender actually grabbed the arm of the receiver in stride, if a ref sees that, he'll call it every time.
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THat's funny because you said the opposite about incidental contact when it was Eric Weddle keeping his hand on Reggie Wayne's hip to help him shadow the receiver. By the way, ERIC WEDDLE HAD BLANKET COVERAGE AND REGGIE WAYNE'S REFUSAL TO COMPETE FOR THE BALL ONLY FURTHER HIGHLIGHTS THE IDEA THAT WAYNE HAD NO CHANCE OF ACTUALLY GETTING TO IT BECAUSE IT WAS UNDERTHROWN ANYWAYS.
In the same manner, you could say that Branch failed to get enough separation to make that catch without the defensive back's arm hitting his arms down incidentally(?). If a flag had been thrown, yardage and a first down would have been granted subjectively. Because a flag was not thrown, two players got to compete for the football and the Colts' good position and quick break won out, even if there was contact.
As a matter of principle, pass interference should be minimal and only in the most flagrant cases. Then receivers will be more inclined to compete for the ball and football will be a contact sport in the secondary again instead of contact in the box and passing skele in the secondary until the catch is made.
And you don't think it's a coincidence that the Colts get so many more pass interference calls than any other team in the league? At one point, the Patriots featured two of the top-2 receivers in the league in Randy Moss and Wes Welker. You know how many offensive pass interference penalties they got? ONE - a blatant jersey-grab by a beaten Buffalo Bills defender in a game that the Patriots would have won anyways. Few if any illegal contact penalties, either despite how tough it is to stop Moss or Welker without bumping them. Strange how two of the best receivers in the league managed to get exactly ONE pass interference penalty thrown in their favor despite how difficult it is to cover them.
One of the only pass interference calls that I remember was a terrible makeup call thrown against the Panthers last season on an LB covering (Watson?) where the defender barely made enough contact to even justify throwing a flag at all. Another one was another terrible makeup call at a home game I attended earlier this year (I think it was following a Gronkowski offensive pass interference penalty) where similarly minimal contact was made and I wondered to myself whether it was odd.
Look, I'll be the first to say that the Patriots get a lot of liberty when it comes to blocking for Brady, which is part of why he gets so much time to sit in the pocket (in addition to good coaching to help hide the blatant appearance of holding and smart coaching to help maximize the talent of the blockers against the opponents' best pass rushers).
But for you to act like the Colts aren't getting more generosity in terms of pass interference is goofy. Andre Johnson, Calvin Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald, and a host of other receivers far superior to the likes of Tamme, Blair White, Garcon, and Collie, all fail to regularly draw calls despite being infinitely more difficult to cover. Yet somehow receivers other than the well-deserving Pro-Bowler Reggie Wayne somehowmanage to draw calls with uncanny regularity at times when a failed drive would probably put the game out of the Colts' reach. Hmmm..... You argued earlier this year that Garcon and Collie weren't much better than Gaffney and Caldwell when arguing that Manning's performance this year was comparable to Brady in 2006 - well, how are they drawing PI penalties if they aren't that good of athletes and route runners? And how are they getting more calls than Andre Johnson and Calvin Johnson?