Re: Babe Parilli vs Rational Pats Fans
posted at 9/7/2011 1:18 PM EDT
In Response to Re: Babe Parilli vs Rational Pats Fans
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Babe Parilli vs Rational Pats Fans : Meh. If NE wins SB 42, no one is using this premise about bad drafts from 2006-2009. 2006 was bad. 2008, not very good but not one team had a good 2008 draft. NE took Mayo. NY took Gholston and Keller. I rest my case. And to your point about ROIC, I disagree with that in terms of how BB has handled it. IN his position, I am not sure another GM has done better in the last few years. Maybe Ted Thompson with Favre or even Josh McDaniels fleecing Angelo (not McDaniel's choices) in the Cutler deal). I posted this on the Commie thread, but I'll add it here because it applies: They traded back in 2009, sure, but they acquired #34, which is pretty much Rd 1 talent (Chung) simply because BB had the balls to tag Cassel at 16 million and cut cost with Vrabel. So, NE deals Seymour, has a bunch of younger developed D Lineman now, Haynesworth, Ellis and Carter, Chung, and Solder based on the 2009 approach. It's not as bad as it appears. 2009 scored Chung (at 2nd rd money), Vollmer and a STs player in Edelman. Two hits and a small role player as well as Hoyer, undrafted as a developmental project/back up that may lead to a possible 2nd rd pick in the future. Not bad. I'd call it solid if not good. BB also wisely traded back to still get his slam dunks at LESS MONEY in Mayo and McCourty (2010). These are huge moves because it allows him to get more high end complementary talent later. More money under the cap that way. People scoff at this, but I don't get why when we just saw BB use it as leverage to get OchoCinco, Haynesworth, Ellis, Brian Waters, Andre Carter, etc. Look at those names with the the young base in the drafts. It's very reminiscent of why he didn't panic, cost-wise in 2002, and waited for 2003 to pluck COlvin, Ted Washington, Ty Poole, etc, etc. I see selling off Seymour, Vrabel, Cassel, and not signing Samuel are ways to get a return. They got Bodden for far cheaper than Samuel. What has Samuel done except not tackle and try to spike his INTs to get another paycheck? That 2009 sell off (ROIC) landed NE huge cap savings going into a lockout, Chung, Solder, and now all these new FA vets. And I am forgetting small moves like having cash to resign Matt Light. Sounds dumb, but Light could be vital this year. Would you rather Seymour at 14 million or Ellis, Haynesworth, Carter, Brian Waters and Ocho at a total of 10? Look at the Colts right now. They blew their last 3 drafts and overpaid Manning. Look at SD. They have talent up the ying yang, but had flaws with character hampering their eventual goals. Richard Seymour will make 14 million in Oakland and never sniff a SB ring ever again. Tommy Kelly outproduced Seymour last year at DT. Go check it out. You could argue Tommyu Kelly is far better value and as great as an impact player as Seymour, but Al Davis pays for the name on the jersey and the 2004 version of Seymour. I like that ROIC. I would hate Al Davis's version of it. I'll take Solder and the cap space and chances at rings. And if you look at Pitt? They're old. Their CBs are mediocre. Their thin on defense. If they don't win at all this year, watch them turn into a 2008 version of NE and their fans will start to get REALLY angry. To your point about more draft choices than any other teams: 1. I am not sure if that is true. 2. Go look at other teams' drafts and then look at NE's yields. I think you'll be surprised at what you see, especially in 2008. It's not a continuity issue on defense when you aren't overpaying for quick fixes.
Posted by RidingWithTheKing[/QUOTE]
This is the Russ I like. Way to lay it out Russ, and I appreciate not being labeled anything. I'm just trying to understand, and appreciate the detail.
when I talked about the draft, I was specfiically talking about rounds 1-3. Supposedly where the cream of the crop is, and specifically (2/3), BB's sweet spot.
When I said the Pats picked there since 2006 more than any other team, I didn't have facts to back it up, but simply the total number, which I believe to be about 18 picks since 2006 in rounds 1-3. That's a lot of picking. I'll do a bit of research on this, but I would be surprised if another team picked as much in those rounds.
What I consider absolutely amazing is even with some crappy picks, BB has found a way to surround this team with both young, medium and older talent. He keeps replenishing and being successful.
The question would I rather have Seymore at $14M, or the rest of the bunch?...no question, I take the rest of the bunch without much issue at all. Even with Ocho who is work in progress.
To TXPats' point...when you have an excellent team/excellent organization, you expect excellence all the way around. Not perfection, but excellence. If i see 2 areas of "less than excellent", it has to be with some of the player draft analysis, and with some of the coaching...and I'm not saying BB, but rather O'Brien.