Re: Babe Parilli vs Rational Pats Fans
posted at 9/8/2011 2:29 PM EDT
In Response to Re: Babe Parilli vs Rational Pats Fans
[QUOTE]Sweed is gone. Clearly, their homerun draft in the last 5 is 2007. Ours is 2010. NE and Pitt's 2009 drafts look equal to me. If Ziggy Hood was so fantastic, Casey Hampton is a cost cutting cost move. Nice potential long term move for Hampton, but not yet. What is the point here? Pitt is also good, but BB isn't on Colbert's level? lol Why did Pitt miss the playoffs 2 years ago? I'll tell you why: Polamalu got hurt and Larry Foote was a big loss for them with depth and experience down the middle in 2009. BB goes 11-5 while losing Brady, so really, who is the better architect of building a team? Colbert in Pitt or BB? NE loses Harrison, Brushci, Samuel, Seymour and Vrabel all within a 2 years span, and they still manage to win 10+ games in 2008! 11 games in 2009 with a one dimensional offense and NO SEYMOUR AND VRABLE On the edge. Pitt MISSES THE PLAYOFFS AT 8-8 because ONE defensive player, arguably a great one goes down (Polamalu). Case CLOSED. Ozzie Newsome? Good GM. What's he won? Mickey Loomis? Good GM. Just won a SB. Had years of crap to get draft pick position to finally build it. Jerry Reese? NY Giants? Good GM. Had a great 2007 draft. Was crucial to a SB. Great job. Andy Reid/Roseman, Philly. GREAT job, but what have they won? Hmm. I've asked him to name his top 5 GMs and he doesn't put BB in the top 5. That's utterly ridicuous when you consider how well BB uses the draft and FA in conjunction with one another, generally speaking. I don't see him being objective WHATSOEVER. He's overly critical of BB while not including any contexts (other GMs's yields or successes) by comparison. For example, compare Polian's last 3 drafts to NE's over the same time period. Dude, I lived in Chicago for 5 years, had customers in Wisconsin. I am telling you, no one believed in Ted Thompson. He was VERY unpopular. He's the guy that dealt Favre and took about 5 years to put a defense together. He was under fire when they went 6-10 in 2008 and even when they got plastered by Arizona in the one and done, giving up 51 points!! 51! Now, the guy is considered a great GM. Why is that? PL, you claim I am doing the spin job here, while all I am asking for is Babe to explain why BB is so mediocre when it's clear, compared to other GM's, it's simply not the case. NE isn't picking top or middle of the draft every year like teams do who miss the playoffs or don't win 10 games. This is why I ask to compare BB and Polian. Look at the drafts from 2008-2010 and compare BB and Polian. Even Underpants sees BB winning here at this point. I hope. Babe is a troll. I just gave you contexts as to why Babe's argument is so weak and why his premise is flawed. OF COURSE no one is perfect and BB';s 2006 draft was bad. Of course. But, to say he's "mediocre" isn't to say he's objective. That's flat out false until proven by Babe. And it won't be.
Posted by RidingWithTheKing[/QUOTE]
I wasn't saying BB is a mediocre GM and don't know if Babe was..i would have to look specifically...
Generally speaking I think he stacks up quite favorably against other GM's...I'm not arguing that point. I'm simply stating that he's had some mediocre drafts since 2006, 2010 being the exception, and not counting 2011.
What I find curious is if you line up when Floyd Reese came onboard to when our drafts started to improve. Reese came onboard in January 2009. He worked diligently with BB on the 2010 draft, and we saw the result. Probably same with 2011's draft. Are the Pats 2010 and 2011 drafts a byproduct of Reese's advice/guidance and therefore our success?
Again, not calling BB a mediocre GM. I think more than anything he is spread way too thin. He does a better job than any other GM assembling talent..via the draft, UDFA and FA. No questions. The main point to make is the 06'-09' drafts were not completely lucrative, and somewhat out of character for a top tier talent evaluator. Was it the weakness of the draft? or a bad evaluation of talent?
You already stated Pitt had a strong draft in 07', so I don't think you can consider it a weak draft class when Pitt picked up 2 excellent LB's.