Baltimore's New Defense.

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    "I go by patterns."

    So does Isaac Mizrahi, Fan Boy

     
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    I noticed your analysis is a whole lot of rhetoric.   Ever wonder why Brady was a better postseason QB before than now?

    I don't.

    I know why.  He took one small step towards  being the postseason QB he used to be last night.  We'll see if he can match that again next Sunday.

     

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    If by better you mean statistically better, he was not better then. 

    If by better you mean he won a couple more games, sadly those couple get to be Superbowls, then a blind dog could tell you. The defense of late is a complete shell compared to Bruschi, Law, Harrison, McGinest, Vrabel, Seymour, Washington, Wilfork, Poole, etc, etc.

    It's naked it's so obvious. That was a year in year out top five defense. Brady could rattle off three four five three and outs, turn the ball over, and they would hang in there.  

    Does the defense need to be that good? No. Because NE has an offense now that can do what we just saw .... blow a top ten defense right out of the water on some nights. 

     
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    I don't know if anyone has talked about the spread yet, but I can't believe that the oddsmakers are giving 9.5 points to the Ravens.  I am a huge Pats fan, but I will have to take the points on Sunday.  I think this game will come down to the last 5 minutes of the 4th quarter. 

     

     

     
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    Since 2010, he has 12 TDs and 2 INTs.  I would expect his stats to not be as strong when he was a rookie or earlier in his postseason career.

    I go by patterns.  The last TWO, more recent postseasons are more relevant to the now than his 6 INTs he threw in the postseason early in his career, Bellino.

    WHat happened? BB just finished a masterful rebuild in 2010 and 2011, with the youngest D in the league that is BETTTER right now than this "terrific" and old Baltimore D that you're so enamored with.

     

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    If you count his fumbles he has turned the ball over more than Brady since 2010 in the postseason despite playing in fewer games and having 2 games in the wildcard round which are the lower tier of playoff teams.

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    That's fair.  I am not even arguing Balt's D being better than ours in 2010.  Or even last year.

    Keep in mind, I am talking THIS YEAR about our D and theirs.  Bellino is babbling about how good Balt's D is schematically right now acting as if Ray is physically a force, so I countered as to why there is proof, with two sources, as to why they're not.

    He's wrong.

    Anyway, it got off track because he thinks the Balt D is still the 2009 level D. It's not.

    That's the point. He's one who has completely under-appreciated this D here, while overrating Baltimore playing better the last 2 games on this win it for Ray wave they have.

    BB just put together a masterful rebuild on this D to the point many fanbases are going to be JEALOUS for years to come, including Baltimore, and he's praising Balt's old D and ignoring what's right under his nose here.

     

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    I didn't say Ray was "physically a force". In fact, I was quite clear saying it was likely the effect of intellectual leadership. The ILB is the QB of the defense. 

    I know you think just about any player that plays for the opponent is terrible .... unless it's Alex Smith or Joe Flacco in which case we should trade Brady for them or something ... but I hate Lewis and those thugs, but they are a great collection of talent.

    The fact that they all missed massive chunks of the year with injuries (all of them at one point or another but Ngata) doesn't take away from the fact that Baltimore's defense has been elite when all hands are on deck. 

    And no, NE's defense is obvisouly improved ... since they added Talib statistically they are much better than they were last season or through the first 8.

    But they still aren't as good as the Ravens when fully healthy. The Ravens have better DBs end to end, though not to the degree it was last season. And they have a better pass rushing outfit, though not to the degree, again, as it was last season. 

    I take NE as a team but based on defense (not character) I would take the Ravens defense. Sorry. 

    And they have far better safety play ... though not for much longer because I can't see Reed continuing to be this good too long. 

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    Disagree. I'd put our starting CBs up against anyone in the AFC right now. Arrington is good in the slot, and McCourty/Gregory seem to be doing good things on the back end. Obviously, Reed/Pollard is a stronger duo there.

    At worst, it's even on paper.

    NE has as good as a pass rushing unit. Also, the Balt Run D is sketchy.  125 yards yesterday. It was enough to contain Moreno and alter Gomer's approach, but NE's offense is stronger than Denver even without Gronk. NE has a lock down run D.

    NE also has a deeper D Line at this point even if Jones is out.   BB is loving the versatility of his front line.

    The Pats O line also ususally do a number on Ngata as well.  NE had 50 yards with BJGE on 8 carries at half last year. I'd need to look up the numbers from 2010 when NE beat Baltimore after the Moss trade.

    Balt allowed 30 points in that bagjob game in Baltimore in Sept. Nothing to be proud of especially looking for revenge off the AFC title game. 

    Wilfork has abused Matt Birk in the past, too, most notably in last year's AFC title game.

    If Brady doesn't throw an INTs, NE will win this game.

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    If he does ... they still shouldn't lose. 

    If your whole game comes down to whether or not you turn the ball over once you've lost. NE won 7 out of 9 playoff games between 2001-4 with offensive turnovers. 

    They played through them. 

    Second ... I don't know about handling Ngata. He is a force. He gets pressures galore. I think you can run a little at them ... but it's *around* Ngata. I don't think their ILBs have the speed to go edge to edge.

     
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    I don't know if anyone has talked about the spread yet, but I can't believe that the oddsmakers are giving 9.5 points to the Ravens.  I am a huge Pats fan, but I will have to take the points on Sunday.  I think this game will come down to the last 5 minutes of the 4th quarter. 

     

     

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    See what Vegas says once the money comes in. 

    Still ... Vegas is a terrible predictive tool. 50% of the time is worse than metrics. 

     
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    As well as the Ravens have played the past several weeks, I just don't see them being able to stop the Patriots offense. Baltimore's defense is comparable to that of Houston's, and Houston certainly couldn't stop us.

    As you mentioned Z, Denver had 16 offensive drives against the Ravens. I don't want to make any assumptions, but I would expect that if Brady had 16 offensive drives in a game, he'd put up more than 21 points. You just don't see the Patriots go 3-and-out very often.

    Even San Francisco, the best defense in the league, although they did an admirable job, couldn't hold down the Patriots when the Pats started to get rolling.

    I know it sounds cliche by now, but I really believe that the only defense against the Patriots are the Patriots. If we make errors and fail to execute, we'll have trouble like we did in Jacksonville.

    This offense is good enough to blow out anybody on any given day. It just has to go out and do it.

     
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    I noticed your analysis is a whole lot of rhetoric.   Ever wonder why Brady was a better postseason QB before than now?

    I don't.

    I know why.  He took one small step towards  being the postseason QB he used to be last night.  We'll see if he can match that again next Sunday.

     

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    If by better you mean statistically better, he was not better then. 

    If by better you mean he won a couple more games, sadly those couple get to be Superbowls, then a blind dog could tell you. The defense of late is a complete shell compared to Bruschi, Law, Harrison, McGinest, Vrabel, Seymour, Washington, Wilfork, Poole, etc, etc.

    It's naked it's so obvious. That was a year in year out top five defense. Brady could rattle off three four five three and outs, turn the ball over, and they would hang in there.  

    Does the defense need to be that good? No. Because NE has an offense now that can do what we just saw .... blow a top ten defense right out of the water on some nights. 

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    No, I mean being a QB. I don't; care about stats for my QB. I care about what he does in a positive light, to help the team win.

    Keep in mind the D picked Schaub and did other things at times when our offense was struggling.

    Yes, this defense is the youngest in the NFL but becoming pretty darn impressive lately considering that.  Brady's better TD/INT ratio HELPED that 2001-2004 D, while his WORSE one in these recent postseasons has not helped these Ds.

    Would be nice if our future HOF QB knew what it meant to help our D.  In recent postseason games, he's forgotten it.  Last night was a GOOD start in remmebering it.

     

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    The defense did pick Shaub. Did I say they were terrible this week? They were better than they were in any game last post season. 

    Yes, Brady was perfect (again) in 2004. 

    But in 2001 and 2003 he had a 2-1 TD interception ratio, and a couple fumbles. I don't know how that equates to being better. It's worse. 

    And Brady's defense *helped the team* in those post seasons. Do you really want to count the 3 and outs and turnovers? I mean it's not even close.

    Really?

    NE Oakland 52 passes ... 0 TDs .... 1 interception. 16-13 score. 

    NE vs Tenn 48 passes ... 1 TD, 1 fumble .... 17-14 score.

    NE vs IND 38 passes 1 TD 1 INT .... 24-14 score (win on the strength of a pick 6).

    In fact, in 2003 they went through the whole post-season throwing the ball 38 times, 48 times and 48 times. He produced 3 turnovers and 5 TDs. They won all three games. 

    If Brady played like that last post-season, they wouldn't have won either because their defense just isn't as good. 

     
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    The teams that give the PATS the most trouble are teams that can establish a rush with 4 linemen and keep the rest back in coverage.  I dont think that the Ravens are designed this way, and I think they need blitzes to get to the QB.  We should be able to score 24+ if Brady is Brady.

    Flacco scares me though, he was hot on the weekend against a respectable D on the road.  I am not convinced that the PATS D can defend the long bombs to Smith and Bolden and Jones.

     
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    As well as the Ravens have played the past several weeks, I just don't see them being able to stop the Patriots offense. Baltimore's defense is comparable to that of Houston's, and Houston certainly couldn't stop us.

    As you mentioned Z, Denver had 16 offensive drives against the Ravens. I don't want to make any assumptions, but I would expect that if Brady had 16 offensive drives in a game, he'd put up more than 21 points. You just don't see the Patriots go 3-and-out very often.

    Even San Francisco, the best defense in the league, although they did an admirable job, couldn't hold down the Patriots when the Pats started to get rolling.

    I know it sounds cliche by now, but I really believe that the only defense against the Patriots are the Patriots. If we make errors and fail to execute, we'll have trouble like we did in Jacksonville.

    This offense is good enough to blow out anybody on any given day. It just has to go out and do it.

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    Well, part of that 16 is the fact that they had an over time plus. An average game has 12 drives, so each team should get another three or four in 5+ quarters. 

    I'd like to think, if NE gets 12 drives against Baltimore, they can score 24-31 points on offense on a good day with solid execution. If they are off their game, that will come down.  

    Is that enough?

    It depends on how well they defend the Ravens and if there are any FR TDs/INT TDs/KR TDS for each side. 

     
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    As well as the Ravens have played the past several weeks, I just don't see them being able to stop the Patriots offense. Baltimore's defense is comparable to that of Houston's, and Houston certainly couldn't stop us.

    As you mentioned Z, Denver had 16 offensive drives against the Ravens. I don't want to make any assumptions, but I would expect that if Brady had 16 offensive drives in a game, he'd put up more than 21 points. You just don't see the Patriots go 3-and-out very often.

    Even San Francisco, the best defense in the league, although they did an admirable job, couldn't hold down the Patriots when the Pats started to get rolling.

    I know it sounds cliche by now, but I really believe that the only defense against the Patriots are the Patriots. If we make errors and fail to execute, we'll have trouble like we did in Jacksonville.

    This offense is good enough to blow out anybody on any given day. It just has to go out and do it.

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    Well, part of that 16 is the fact that they had an over time plus. An average game has 12 drives, so each team should get another three or four in 5+ quarters. 

    I'd like to think, if NE gets 12 drives against Baltimore, they can score 24-31 points on offense on a good day with solid execution. If they are off their game, that will come down.  

    Is that enough?

    It depends on how well they defend the Ravens and if there are any FR TDs/INT TDs/KR TDS for each side. 

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    If there are any PR or KR for TD's it certainly wont be the Patriots.  I cannot believe that McCourtey is still returning kickoffs.  Much to valuable to lose to injury and quite frankly, not that good.  I would like to see a Vereen get a chance.

     
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    The teams that give the PATS the most trouble are teams that can establish a rush with 4 linemen and keep the rest back in coverage.  I dont think that the Ravens are designed this way, and I think they need blitzes to get to the QB.  We should be able to score 24+ if Brady is Brady.

    Flacco scares me though, he was hot on the weekend against a respectable D on the road.  I am not convinced that the PATS D can defend the long bombs to Smith and Bolden and Jones.

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    Really? I honestly think they can. If they can't I will be bitterly disappointed ... again. 

    I don't want to get my hopes up .... but NE's Lbers can control this if Talib can continue to buy them the liberty to mix in cover-1.

    If they are getting beat and have to work with everyone deep, then it will be a long day. 

    Focus on a.) getting drives for the offense. Don't let Baltimore chew clock between their short game and Rice. b.) don't give up the dagger play that Baltimore likes to throw.

    On offense ... test those edges with the runners, run stretch plays, run draw plays, run 'wham' plays and off tackles away from Ngata, and like Rusty alluded to ... test the LBers against Hern andth RBs in coverage. I don't think Ellerbe or Lewis can really run with Vereen (or Woodhead). If you can force the Ravens into zone coverage ... Brady can start operating. If they can't win those matchups over the middle, and the Ravens can play man under blitz, it's going to be a long day. I don't like the way NE matches up outside and deep against their corners and Reed. I think outside of the interior line ... NE "matches up" better with Balties D than Denver does. It's a horizontal precision passing game that uses quickness ... something Baltimore has had more of before.

     
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    You know I respect your opinion ZB, but the Pats offense is the best they will see all year. The Pats can pass effectively and run effectively. I could be wrong, but Suggs doesn't seem to be as good a run defender as he was in the past. Both the Pats Offense and defense have improved since last year and since the last meeting in Baltimore. One of my concerns is can the Pats D keep Rice ineffective and cover the deep routes (rush, cover well). Also think Brady has played maybe slightly above average against the Ravens D over the years....and the Pats will need him to Tom terrific.

     
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    I noticed your analysis is a whole lot of rhetoric.   Ever wonder why Brady was a better postseason QB before than now?

    I don't.

    I know why.  He took one small step towards  being the postseason QB he used to be last night.  We'll see if he can match that again next Sunday.

     

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    If by better you mean statistically better, he was not better then. 

    If by better you mean he won a couple more games, sadly those couple get to be Superbowls, then a blind dog could tell you. The defense of late is a complete shell compared to Bruschi, Law, Harrison, McGinest, Vrabel, Seymour, Washington, Wilfork, Poole, etc, etc.

    It's naked it's so obvious. That was a year in year out top five defense. Brady could rattle off three four five three and outs, turn the ball over, and they would hang in there.  

    Does the defense need to be that good? No. Because NE has an offense now that can do what we just saw .... blow a top ten defense right out of the water on some nights. 

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    No, I mean being a QB. I don't; care about stats for my QB. I care about what he does in a positive light, to help the team win.

    Keep in mind the D picked Schaub and did other things at times when our offense was struggling.

    Yes, this defense is the youngest in the NFL but becoming pretty darn impressive lately considering that.  Brady's better TD/INT ratio HELPED that 2001-2004 D, while his WORSE one in these recent postseasons has not helped these Ds.

    Would be nice if our future HOF QB knew what it meant to help our D.  In recent postseason games, he's forgotten it.  Last night was a GOOD start in remmebering it.

     

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    The defense did pick Shaub. Did I say they were terrible this week? They were better than they were in any game last post season. 

    Yes, Brady was perfect (again) in 2004. 

    But in 2001 and 2003 he had a 2-1 TD interception ratio, and a couple fumbles. I don't know how that equates to being better. It's worse. 

    And Brady's defense *helped the team* in those post seasons. Do you really want to count the 3 and outs and turnovers? I mean it's not even close.

    Really?

    NE Oakland 52 passes ... 0 TDs .... 1 interception. 16-13 score. 

    NE vs Tenn 48 passes ... 1 TD, 1 fumble .... 17-14 score.

    NE vs IND 38 passes 1 TD 1 INT .... 24-14 score (win on the strength of a pick 6).

    In fact, in 2003 they went through the whole post-season throwing the ball 38 times, 48 times and 48 times. He produced 3 turnovers and 5 TDs. They won all three games. 

    If Brady played like that last post-season, they wouldn't have won either because their defense just isn't as good. 

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    In 2001 he was in his first season starting!  Also, his talent in 2007, 2010 or last year around him was lethal compared to David PAtten, Givens or Brown as receiving options.

    I love Troy Brown, but clearly Welker is more electric as a slot guy, so making excuses for his worse TD/INT ratio in the postseason now somehow pinning it on our D is outrageous.

    Add in this era, being more offensive, via Goodell's orders and you lost. You simply lost.

    Harder to play D today, easier to score points. NOT DEBATABLE.

     

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    Actually it's not worse now. 

    But I digress. 

    YEah, teams score an average of about 1 point more per game than back in 2001. 

    Too bad the defense of the seasons past give up about seven points more per game than those old ones. It's also too bad that they weren't out there forcing multiple turnovers and multiple three and outs. I mean three and outs are gold for an offense. You get right back on the field and maintain your rhythm. If you have to sit there for 10-15 minutes between snaps it's not good. 

    Not debatable is right. That's why rankings are rankings ... they are elastic. First in defense now is still first. Middle of the pack is still middle of the pack. 

    You make too many excuses for someone who is always worried about excuses ... end of the day ... two things. 

    The team was built lopsided, not by design but by chance. BB has been a far better offensive drafter than defensive drafter of late. There is a law of diminishing returns if one side of a team is much stronger than the other.

    I would trade Welker or Gronk in a heart beat if I knew they were getting a "Law" or a "Seymour" in return. Why? There aren't enough reps for that much offensive skill positions guys. And you are better off having a more even distribution of talent. 

     
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    As well as the Ravens have played the past several weeks, I just don't see them being able to stop the Patriots offense. Baltimore's defense is comparable to that of Houston's, and Houston certainly couldn't stop us.

    As you mentioned Z, Denver had 16 offensive drives against the Ravens. I don't want to make any assumptions, but I would expect that if Brady had 16 offensive drives in a game, he'd put up more than 21 points. You just don't see the Patriots go 3-and-out very often.

    Even San Francisco, the best defense in the league, although they did an admirable job, couldn't hold down the Patriots when the Pats started to get rolling.

    I know it sounds cliche by now, but I really believe that the only defense against the Patriots are the Patriots. If we make errors and fail to execute, we'll have trouble like we did in Jacksonville.

    This offense is good enough to blow out anybody on any given day. It just has to go out and do it.

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    Well, part of that 16 is the fact that they had an over time plus. An average game has 12 drives, so each team should get another three or four in 5+ quarters. 

    I'd like to think, if NE gets 12 drives against Baltimore, they can score 24-31 points on offense on a good day with solid execution. If they are off their game, that will come down.  

    Is that enough?

    It depends on how well they defend the Ravens and if there are any FR TDs/INT TDs/KR TDS for each side. 

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    Oh I see, the 16 drives included those in overtime. Well, I reviewed the Patriots game. We scored those 41 points in 12 offensive drives like you suggested. Keeping in mind that a few of those drives were designed to kill time, I feel pretty good about where we are at as an offense.

    I would not expect 41 points on the Ravens defense, but I wouldn't be shocked if it happened. The Texans D is, I think, every bit as solid as that of the Ravens. I mean, the Ravens don't have a JJ Watt or a Jonathan Joseph.

     
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    You know I respect your opinion ZB, but the Pats offense is the best they will see all year. The Pats can pass effectively and run effectively. I could be wrong, but Suggs doesn't seem to be as good a run defender as he was in the past. Both the Pats Offense and defense have improved since last year and since the last meeting in Baltimore. One of my concerns is can the Pats D keep Rice ineffective and cover the deep routes (rush, cover well). Also think Brady has played maybe slightly above average against the Ravens D over the years....and the Pats will need him to Tom terrific.

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    I agree. It is the best they will see all year. Even without Gronk, it's better than Denver. 

    Rice is the key btw.

     
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    I don't know? How do you feel about the 40 passes from Brady? That's the formula for a loss right?

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    I would argue the Pats did a very good job of putting themselves in position to possibly give up that lead by continuing to throw low percentage throws in the 4th quarter with a huge lead.

    Frankly I am surprised more people have not complained about it today but then I have to remember that I am not sure anyone on here coaches and you watch a game very differently as a fan than as a coach.

    No one will convince me it was good game or clock managment by the Pats in the late 3rd Qtr and most of 4th Qtr. 

    People always want to rail about the defense giving up a lead late but I would argue that through the process of a game that just a single rush attempt on every given series, especially when already rushing the ball well AND having a sizable lead would easily wipe out 3 or 4 more minutes off the clock at a minimum.

    To be honest I was pissed that Brady threw that ball to Vereen down the left sideline for the TD. It worked. It's great in hindsite but that instantaneous TD was not needed in that situation after the turnover on downs with an already good lead of 30-13. It could just as easily have been intercepted as well given it's a low percentage throw and not Brady's strongest  attribute in his great skill set.

    What WAS needed was chewing up clock and giving your defense a rest after just leaving the field on the turnover on downs and keeping your kickoff coverage unit off the field as long as possible while having a rough night.

    There was 13 minutes on the clock still. That game took forever because the Pats never burned much clock and gave the Texans more time of posession. Football is a complimentary game and I personally don't think they did a good job with the sizable lead in that game.

    The Pats could have more sytematically tried to work their way down from the 33 to a TD while working clock, continuing to tire and bludgon the Texans D, rest their own D, Maintaining more time of posession, bring the clock ever closer to a time when Texans would need to consider to start using Time outs, prolonging the Texans an opportunity to get their successful KO receiving team on the field, etc, etc.

    Even if the drive failed they would have done most of those things I mentioned as well as still be in FG range with a most likely lead stretching FG that takes it to a 3 possession game with much less time on the clock. 

    Anything can happen with lots of time on the clock no matter how big the lead but when the time runs out game over and nothing bad can happen when you already have the lead with zero time left.

    As it turned out the Pats kicked off and the Texans ran it back to the NE 37 and quickly got the TD right back and still no time barely run off the clock.

    Sorry but the Pats would have indeed been better off running the ball just a lil bit more with the big lead starting earlier in the game.

    Sometimes you win as a coach because your team is just that much better or you made more good decisions than bad but that doesn't mean you made the best decisions in every situation.

    BB knows way more than me obviously but he also has not had the headset on many times when the Offense has the ball and didn't during this scenario but I would be willing to bet when he reevaluates the entire thing as it played out he'll have a few questions for McD.

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    Sorry. 

    Don't agree at all. 

    You are talking about trying to sit on a 30 point score with ten minutes to go. 

    Well, no tricky bounces ... Texas ended up dropping 28 points on the defense. 

    Now crunch those numbers ... if one bad unlucky bounce happens, an onside kick works, Texas could have easily won it with NE sitting on that lead. 

    That throw, not the highest, but certainly not a 50/50 proposition was a mismatch that NE spotted and exploited. It put the game a-w-a-y. Over. 

    Maybe you missed it but BB plays aggressive and he always has. He literally said, just last week ... you don't win games by sitting in foxholes. 

    Moreover, his thinking was justified. Texas almost got the score they needed, and grinding 2 off the clock was about the only thing slowing the game down there guarantees. And grinding 2 off the clock does less to guarantee a win than a FG or TD. 

    It's basic win probability. 

    The next two drives, then they started running because it was over. 

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    I knew you would go to the fox hole thing. Clearly you took from my post what you wanted and didn't read it since I never said anything about not going for a TD and just trying to sit on anything, least of all a lead.

    Also no one said to run exclusivley at any point in time or become ultra conservative. We'll agree to disagree since it was obviously lost on you or not written well by me. I am not a great writer, apologies.

    Never said to not take advantage of Brady, your best player. I said to do it in a way that was better game and clock management. Being agressive does not mean exclusively taking the path of quickest results or lower probability of success.

    I'll have to assume you are insinuating you need to do one or the other. Try and score with bombs and lower percentage throws down the field to consider it NOT sitting in a fox hole? ...or try and mix in some runs with higher percentage throws moving the chains on your way to trying to score a touch down, while purposely using a bunch of clock (sitting in the fox hole as you put it).

    I'll take the clock rolling away, my defense off the field, their defense taking more abuse, etc etc WHILE I am trying to score the TD. You're in control of the game, starting already in field goal range. It's a luxury to be able to work clock as you extend your lead from 2 possession to three, even if it ended in a FG and not TD. In that situation I will easily live with the result of 3 points instead of 7 if 4 minutes or more were also taken off the clock in the process. 

    The average person thinks game or clock management comes down to the final possession of two of a game. When it's predicatable. Let me assure you it doesn't. It especially doesn't when you have a comfortable lead. Coaches know better.

     

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    Another great response. I like Z,actually I like all Pats fans on this site. Yet when Z is disagreed with he tends to ignore the crux of the discussion,then exaggerate one aspect to make it seem like the other person is being unreasonable.

    Nobody wants to be a run 1st run all the time offense. We want our OC and coaching staff to help Tom Brady by utilizing all aspects of the offense, and yes running the ball/throwing to the rbs to keep our d off the field and wear down the opposing D. 

    We have done that this season. We lead the LG in rushing tds, and are 2nd in rushing atts only to run 1st Seattle. Every "football guy" I respect on radio, Internet and TV says this is the best/most efficient Pats offense or perhaps any offense ever. It is due to the commitment to the running game and no longer beingprimarily a downfield pass finesse offense.

    Yes Rid is better then BJGE but the FACT is that we only run at .2 ypc more then we did under OB last year yet we are 2nd in The LEAGUE IN RUSHING ATTS. Actually Seattle and Washington were 1st and 3rd but they averaged 5 ypc as a team and 4.8 ypc respectively. A lot better then us as we got 4.2 ypc, but we were COMMITED TO THE RUN UNDER MCD. 

    Anyway I won't let these guys be buzz kills. As you said we will agree to disagree. Our offense is way better then last year and our rebuilt defense is coming along nicely. This is the best chance we have to win a SB since 2004 as our D is not too old, and our offense will run the football, which has more benefits then guys here are apparently aware of.

     

     
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    Bellino is very frustrating.  He'd be a great lawyer. He does a heck of a job trying to deflect and also convince people his analysis is accurate.   It's unreal, though.  He is proven wrong and he just continues.  Johnnie Cochrane made a living off of that.

    And, OJ Simpson is thrilled. It's an art form, but at some point enough is enough.

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    If I change Bellino for RockSkully the same could be said about you.  At least Z backs up what he thinks with some actual facts.  You speak in absolutes all the time and then when a real life doesn't meet you exspectations you backpetal very fast. 

     

     
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    Bellino is very frustrating.  He'd be a great lawyer. He does a heck of a job trying to deflect and also convince people his analysis is accurate.   It's unreal, though.  He is proven wrong and he just continues.  Johnnie Cochrane made a living off of that.

    And, OJ Simpson is thrilled. It's an art form, but at some point enough is enough.

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    If I change Bellino for RockSkully the same could be said about you.  At least Z backs up what he thinks with some actual facts.  You speak in absolutes all the time and then when a real life doesn't meet you exspectations you backpetal very fast. 

     

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    He does not backpedal. He pretends it never happened.

     
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    Bellino is very frustrating.  He'd be a great lawyer. He does a heck of a job trying to deflect and also convince people his analysis is accurate.   It's unreal, though.  He is proven wrong and he just continues.  Johnnie Cochrane made a living off of that.

    And, OJ Simpson is thrilled. It's an art form, but at some point enough is enough.

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    If I change Bellino for RockSkully the same could be said about you.  At least Z backs up what he thinks with some actual facts.  You speak in absolutes all the time and then when a real life doesn't meet you exspectations you backpetal very fast. 

     

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    He does not backpedal. He pretends it never happened.

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    That is basically the long and short of this thread, which is waaay OT right now. Rusty pretending he never said some stuff ... and getting angry and hurling insults that have little to do with it as if calling people names will somehow fool the average reader into missing how incredibly wrong he was/is. 

     
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    Bellino is very frustrating.  He'd be a great lawyer. He does a heck of a job trying to deflect and also convince people his analysis is accurate.   It's unreal, though.  He is proven wrong and he just continues.  Johnnie Cochrane made a living off of that.

    And, OJ Simpson is thrilled. It's an art form, but at some point enough is enough.

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    If I change Bellino for RockSkully the same could be said about you.  At least Z backs up what he thinks with some actual facts.  You speak in absolutes all the time and then when a real life doesn't meet you exspectations you backpetal very fast. 

     

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    Johnny Cochrane would get fired if his best defense, when caught with his pants down, was to change the topic and call the other guy a "Dribbledrip," then to bloviate about how smart he was ... sort of trying to convince everyone ... really, I'm smart.

     

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