Re: BB Comes In At 7th All-Time
posted at 6/5/2013 1:41 PM EDT
In response to PatsEng's comment:
I don't agree with them, to me BB is a top 5 maybe top 3 all time, but I can see where they are coming from. Now here me out on this one:
1) Spygate - we all know it's a bunch of nonsense around here but nationally, right or wrong, there still is the question mark on whether that had an influence. Now winning a Super Bowl after the issue would have propelled him over that stigma and certainly consistently winning since then has helped to heal his image but I can still see how it lost him some points.
2) Losing twice to the Giants - this is another right or wrong moment where I can see Coughlin gets put as #6 overall. Lets face it, it's a what have you done lately world and with both coaches still in the game Coughlin has bested BB twice now. Again I'd much rather have BB over Coughlin but I can see where the media would say, 'well to be the best you have to beat the best' and BB just hasn't done it to Coughlin head to head.
3) Tom Brady - Now BB should get a ton of credit but when you have an all time great leading your team, than your shine doesn't look as bright. I can see from a media perspective looking at it as, if you took Brady away BB would still be great but would he be an all time great? Right or wrong (notice the trend) I can see this coming from the media's mind.
Now when you talking top 10 all time those right or wrong decisions do become a factor in a panel of media, esp considering the level of competition for greatest all time. Again I think BB should be higher on the list and I'll guarantee if he beat the Giants just once in those 2 Super Bowls or if he wins just one more he'd be a top 3 with heavy debate for #1 but for right now lets not jump to badly on the media because the 3 points I suggested does make it a debate on where in the top 10 you'd place him depending on how you feel about them.
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I would add, that rightly or wrongly, the perception of BB as a defensive guru who has had trouble feilding a better than merely respectable defense for the better part of a decade now (28 points in each game last playoffs), hurts him as well.
He was the man who stymied the Bills, and grounded the greatest Show on Turf, and the only guy who could stop the Niners offense in the 1980s (it was partly a byproduct of the Fairbanks-Bullough system really being an enigma to the Walsh offense which was build to destroy passive read/react 43 defenses). He is known as a master "game planner."
I think that is bunk though, because BB is a total football mind. He was hands on in developing the offense throughout the entire decade. HE takes pilgrimages to talk offense with guys like Spurrier and Urban Meyer and Chip Kelly. He is constantly innovating by borrowing from college programs that have the freedom to experiment in ways the NFL cannot. And he never borrows "flavor of the month" type ideas like the "wildcat" nonsense.
It was conversations with Spurrier that led him to divide the route concepts for the EP offense into two sides of the field. It was conversations with Meyer that gave him the idea of using the EP RB/TE routes for WRs in a spread formation in 2007-8, and while te two TE affair he is using now is largely lifted from old Giants stuff in concept, a lot of it's layout (bunch formations, etc) is also borrowed from Meyer's spread-mutiple Utah offense, and lastly, the whole no-huddle offense is directly borrowed from Chip Kelly who was running that up-tempo attack at Oregon a few years back. That it worked so well with the EP verbiage is fortuitous, that it it worked so seemlessly and innovatively in its own right (hurry up and run was awesome) that we now have immitators like the Cowboys who will be shifting to an up-tempo Erhardt-Perkins offense is a credit to BB's genius.
People on ESPN need to give this guy credit, because there isn't a facet of this team he isn't right on top of. He is NOT just a defense guy. He is a DC, OC, tight-lipped media agent, and GM all wrapped into one.