In response to ATJ's comment:
In response to TexasPat's comment:
In response to ATJ's comment:
Sitting here on my 2nd IPA of the day, yard work done early, just finished watching the Sox shut out the D-Backs, pondering my upcoming vacation, feeling rather mellow. Life is good. And so I view my friend TP's insults with a wry smile.
RESPONSE: Sounds like it's time again to visit your doctor, and have your meds changed...LOL!!
TP, you and I have had this conversation before with respect to objectivity during which you acknowledged not having any and yet you still lay claim to it. And when I point that out, which is the underlying premise of your post, you choose to attack. How unfortunate.
RESPONSE: I supposedly admitted to you that I was was not objective?? I believe I stated that, as a Patriots' fan, it's hard sometimes for me to be objective...but I try my best to do so. That's a far cry from saying that I am not objective, as you claim. But, then again, homers like you always interpret things the way you want them to be. So, I'm not surprised by this...LOL!!!
You make no comparison to other teams, you provide little context and you continue to beat the same tired drum: BB can't draft to safe his a $$.
RESPONSE: There you go again...making things up and assigning them to me. Where did I ever say that BB can't draft to save his $$? What I have done is try to understand why it is that the Patriots haven't won a championship since the 2004 season. My analysis indicates that poor draft selections by BB is one of the main reasons, particularly on the defensive side of the ball...since the 2006 season. Why make comparisons to other teams? We both know that the Ravens and 49ers have drafted better than the Pats overall, during this time period. As a result, they have each surpassed the Pats on the field. We both know that the inability of the Pats' "D" to apply consistent pressure on the opposing QB, and poor play in the secondary, have cost the Pats two-four championships, in 2006, 2007, 2011, and 2012. Must I repeat the waste of high draft choices on defensive stiffs, made by BB, from 2006-present? BB has done a good job on the offensive side of the ball...but has been awful picking defenders. Why can't you and other homers admit that he is subject to criticism in this area?
You repeatedly challenge his picks based on the mock drafts of pundits and your own assessments.
RESPONSE: Wrong again. My criticisms are mine opinions, based on watching these players perform in college, on reading multiple scouting reports on players made available to all NFL fans for free, and at a price, and based on common sense.
TP, you, like me, are a fan. BB is a professional.
RESPONSE: Stop it! BB is a Hall of Fame coach. He also functions well in his capacity as a GM, with the exception of evaluating collegiate talent. Please name another coach who focuses his draft on a particular school, because he happens to respect the coach in charge, and his program? BB has now done it at the University of Miami in 2007, University of Florida in 2010, and now is enamored with the Rutgers program. It's gotten to the point where BB appears to be repeatedly disregarding his own scouts. The guy appears to be taking on too much, and needs to delegate in this area. But, don't take my word for it. Mike Reiss has suggested the same thing.
Feel free to post whatever you like but do try to keep the personal attacks to a minimum. I challenged your objectivity not your manhood.
RESPONSE: The bottom line is that you have said nothing to refute my position, except to make erroneous claims about things I have allegedly said, in previous posts.
Why should I bother to contrast the Pats' drafting record with that of other teams? You can read, can't you? Do your own research...you do the contrasting. But, just for you...I will list the key players snared by the SB champion Baltimore Ravens, from 2006-present:
a.) BALTIMORE RAVENS:
1.) 2006: The Buzzards landed pro-bowl DT Haloti Ngata, with their 12th overall pick;
2.) 2007: Baltimore landed star OGs Ben Grubbs at #29, and Marshal Yanda, at #86. They also scored with LB Antwan Barnes at #134, and FB Le'Ron McClain, at #137.
3.) 2008: They added QB Joe Flacco at #18, pro-bowl RB Ray Rice at #55, and LB Tavares Gooden, at #71.
4.) 2009: The damn Buzzards selected OT Michael Oher at #23, DE Paul Kruger at #57, and CB LaDarious Webb, at #88.
5.) 2010: They added TEs, Ed Dickson at #70, and Dennis Pitta, at #114.
6.) 2011: Baltimore selected CB Jimmy Smith at #27, and WR Torrey Smith at #58.
7.) 2012: The Ravens took DE/OLB Courtney Upshaw at #35, OG Kelechi Osemeli at #60, RB Bernard Pierce at #84, and C/OG Gino Gradkowski, at #98.
8.) 2013: Ozzie Newsome took SS Matt Elam at #32, LB Arthur Brown at #56, and DT Brandon Williams, at #94.
RESPONSE: Now you tell me...who has drafted better, from 2006-present, the Pats or the Ravens? Do you think that this might have had something to do with the fact that the Ravens have outplayed the Patriots on their home field in three consecutive playoff games, in 2009, 2011, and 2012...winning two of them, and captured a world championship, last season?
Morning, TP. Not entirely sure why feeling mellow on a Sunday afternoon should warrant a med adjustment, but as a noted poster on this board is known to say 'whatever.'
Both of us try to be ojbective, TP, as do many others on this board. Perhaps I overstated your admission re: objectivity. If so, must have been the mellow mood. I'll try to be more intense in the future. Actually, nah, I won't.
TP, I'll admit that I overstated on the 'can't draft' comment but please don't suggest you merely pose questions. You've accused BB of 'squandering draft choices' - that goes beyond posing questions.
RESPONSE: Sorry...you are not. I search for reasons to explain why the Pats have been unable to win another championship. You do not. Instead you choose to fall back to the old "in Bill we trust," stuff. The truth of the matter is that BB HAS squandered a multitude of top 100 picks, since 2006? Check it out, if you dare! This is one of the main reasons why the Patriots haven't won a championship since 2006...and why the hated Ravens have outplayed them in three playoff games, in 2009, 2011, and 2012...which were all played in Foxborough.
Actually saw one report (perhaps you've seen more) that BB disregarded his scouts recommendations with respect to Harmon. I can't say he does it repeatedly but if he does, so what? If BB is squandering draft choices, which you have said that he does and he laid the blame at the feet of his scouts, would you accept that? I think not.
RESPONSE: It's likely that his scouts weren't on board with the Tavon Wilson pick, either. BB's propensity to zero in on certain college programs smacks of lack of thoroughness in the evaluation process. Judging from the results of this practice, it's disturbing. We know for a fact that BB's scouts were strongly opposed to the Harmon pick at #91, this year. If he has no confidence in his scouts, and pays no heed to them, why have them around? BB appears to have too much on his plate, and is too much of a control freak to delegate.
I've never made the claim that the Pats have drafted better than everyone else from 2006 to present. I have posted links from analysts who, by their metrics, identify the Pats as having drafted better over the past 10 years. Good for the Ravens. Looks like a pretty fair draft record.
RESPONSE: we're not talking about the past 10 years. We're talking about 2006-present.
A final thought, TP. Although you may find it emotionally satisfying, your argument isn't really strengthened by hurling personal insults, TP.
RESPONSE: I have little patience with those who misquote me, and misrepresent what say.
And if disagreeing with you on this forum makes me a 'homer' well then I'll happily accept that label. I don't think you're an idiot - I do think you're a passionate Pats fan who at times allows his intensity to compromise his objectivity. (I do, too.)
RESPONSE: I'm sick of guys like you trying to defend BB's lousy drafts by pointing to his great regular season record. I freely acknowledge that he is the greatest NFL coach of all-time, and that Tom Brady is the greatest QB of all-time. They are the reasons for the Pats' sensational regular season success. But, in the play-offs, the rubber hits the road...and...against the top teams, their, relatively speaking, lack of talent on defense, shines through.