Ben Jarvis Green Ellis sucks

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    The main issue I have with your post is that instead of questioning BJGEs skills you just come out in an insulting way by saying he sux. How would you like it if your boss or your close freinds didn't want to associate with you and they wrote to you saying you suk. I would think that you would wouldn't like it and would feel insulted. There are a lot better terms you can use without insulting him. I guess it would be fair to say you SUK. As for answering your your comments, he's a huge improvement over Maroney who useto dance around waiting for holes to open. He rarely loses yardage and a 4.1 average in the NFL on a pass oreinted team is decent. He won't be mistaken for Barry Sanders but he's a decent back who provides enough of a running game to augment the passing game and as others mention he doesn't fumble. I think its called reliability !!    Just my observation !!

    Hetchinspete.

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    That's a mighty good observation, Pete. 

    Call the post & poster out for what they are: stupid.  Sux is too good a word for that type of idiocy.

    This is the team we got, not a fantasy team in a make-believe league. I hate that shiiiit.

    BJGE is the man.

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    Benny is averaging .1 per carry less then emmit smith averaged career vs career.

    Benny is averaging .2 less then Marshal faulk, LT, shaun alexander, and Earl camble

    Benny is averaging .3 less then Walter payton.

    For everyone who is expecting us to have a running back who averages 4.5-5 yards per carry every game of his career, dream the heck on, ITS NOT EVER going to happen..

    Lets compare Benny to some of the highest paid currently playing

    Adrian Peterson: 4.8 yards per carry so far over his career 22 fumbles
    Chris Johnson: 4.8 yards per carry so far over his career(3.8 this year) 9 fumbles

    .7 yards per carry more then benny, lets say 20 carries a game we are talking 14 yards of offense a game. a first down and a half a game these guys are getting more then benny. But dont forget those fumbles. Each turn over lowers your chance of winning by giving the opposing team a chance to drive and score.

    Give me 4.1 yards per carry(slightly worse then hall of famers averaged over a career) and ZERO turn overs.
     
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    "He never fumbles, he's tough, he gets positive yardage almost every time, and he knows how to find the end zone"

    Which is precisely why he doesn't suck. Of course, you (the original poster) could make the argument that he is just good enough to prevent the backs under him from getting meaningful minutes, and you'd have a point there. 

    First rule of argumentation: don't overplay your hand. No way does he suck. But he's not a game changer either. We could use a bit more of the latter, and that should have been your argument.

     
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    Never Fumbles, Solid Back, averaging 3.9 yards per carry..next question.
     
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    Ben Jarvis Green Elis with 2 more TD's. No fumbles. Couple of blitz blocks. Not bad for a player that sucks.

     
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    Today he played like the real deal... Put on a great move in the backfield to shake a defender and win 4 yards.

    He is very strong winning yards after contact...

    He´s gonna be around a long time here in NE... as a #1 or 2 or 3... does not matter.

     

    go pats !

     
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    [QUOTE]Today he played like the real deal... Put on a great move in the backfield to shake a defender and win 4 yards. He is very strong winning yards after contact... He´s gonna be around a long time here in NE... as a #1 or 2 or 3... does not matter.   go pats !
    Posted by auchhhhhhhhhhh[/QUOTE]

    Oh yeah!

    14 of 44!!!! the REAL DEAL!!!

    Thank god he was the real deal last night. I shudder too think what would happen on nights when he's not the real deal. 

    It's almost hilarious reading all these posts defending BJGE with posts like "falls forward" "positive yards". I didn't know "falls forward" or "positive yards" was a great running quality. You guys have all been scarred for years by the idiot Maroney and his stupid dancing. Now anyone trying to be decisive seems like a blessing, no matter how limited his skillset. 

    Hell maybe I should audition for the Pats RB role. I could "fall forward" too. I won't get many yards but I'll "fall forward" for sure!!!

    Last night he "fell forward" for his "postive yards" of 44 from 14 carries. Thank god they weren't negative yards. We in NE are easily pleased when it comes to RBs. 
     
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    The Pats ahve not been running th eball and are not a running team - their short passes are their run plays.

    BJGE Woodhead Faulk Ridley Vereen all are limited in this offense and that will not change.

    Plus BJGE has been limited w turf toe the previous 3 weeks and they still played him - so they trust him.
     
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    BJGE is a downhill, north-shout runner.  Not fancy not overly fast but durable, tough and doesn't fumble.  RBs don't gain 1,000 yards by fluke.  He is serviceable, reliable and consistent.  He's no ones outside threat and he won't make anyone forget about Barry Sanders anytime soon.  I'm fine with how the Pats use him and for what he delivers.  Much too early to assess Vereen or Ridley.
     
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    1000 yards is not that big a deal. 

    He doesn't suck at all, the OP went too far. But he isn't great either.

    He is average at running, and protects the football extremely well. 
     
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    [QUOTE]Benny is averaging .1 per carry less then emmit smith averaged career vs career. Benny is averaging .2 less then Marshal faulk, LT, shaun alexander, and Earl camble Benny is averaging .3 less then Walter payton. For everyone who is expecting us to have a running back who averages 4.5-5 yards per carry every game of his career, dream the heck on, ITS NOT EVER going to happen.. Lets compare Benny to some of the highest paid currently playing Adrian Peterson: 4.8 yards per carry so far over his career 22 fumbles Chris Johnson: 4.8 yards per carry so far over his career(3.8 this year) 9 fumbles .7 yards per carry more then benny, lets say 20 carries a game we are talking 14 yards of offense a game. a first down and a half a game these guys are getting more then benny. But dont forget those fumbles. Each turn over lowers your chance of winning by giving the opposing team a chance to drive and score. Give me 4.1 yards per carry(slightly worse then hall of famers averaged over a career) and ZERO turn overs.
    Posted by ChasaB[/QUOTE]

    This, of course, includes the garbage years where those RBs were winding their careers down. 

    Right now BJGE is in his prime. 

    Hi ypc is 3.9.


    Dude is average. Do we need to replace average? I don't think so, not with this QB and this line. 

    I would much rather see improvement from the defensive group than the RB group. 

    Though admittedly, if Vereen is the future or Ridley is the future, I would like them to get more reps than BJGE.

     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Ben Jarvis Green Ellis sucks : Oh yeah! 14 of 44!!!! the REAL DEAL!!! Thank god he was the real deal last night. I shudder too think what would happen on nights when he's not the real deal.  It's almost hilarious reading all these posts defending BJGE with posts like "falls forward" "positive yards". I didn't know "falls forward" or "positive yards" was a great running quality. You guys have all been scarred for years by the idiot Maroney and his stupid dancing. Now anyone trying to be decisive seems like a blessing, no matter how limited his skillset.  Hell maybe I should audition for the Pats RB role. I could "fall forward" too. I won't get many yards but I'll "fall forward" for sure!!! Last night he "fell forward" for his "postive yards" of 44 from 14 carries. Thank god they weren't negative yards. We in NE are easily pleased when it comes to RBs. 
    Posted by murghkhor[/QUOTE]

    You're clueless. Give it up. Only the other pink hat morons agree with you.

    You don't need to audition for BJGE's roster spot. You do a fine job here as the village idiot.
     
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    They need to have a functional ground game to complement the passing opffense.  BJGE is solid, nothing more.  They have a few guys that look promising.  As Greg Bedard said in the below quote, the threat of a run is important and opens up the offense. 

    Terrific offensive gameplan by the Patriots to pound the Eagles with the run to set up playaction. They’re pretty much able to do what they want offensively.
     
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    Dude, you are nuts.
     
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    Suck as he may, he still averaged more yards per carry than Vereen and Ridley yesterday. Ridley had 4 carries/4 yards, Vereen 7 carries, 18 yards. Woody was the star yesterday with 4 carries/20 yards (5.0 avg.).

    Again, I really don't like the RB by committee approach. It doesn't seem to give any one back enough touches per game to build a rhythm. Imagine Brady swapping out with Hoyer every 2-3 plays. It seems counterproductive, especially given these guys possess similar talents more or less. Some better at catching than running, running than catching, but they are all fairly versatile in that regard.

    I'd rather see 1-2 guys used per game, given them more touches, then use 1-2 different guys the next game and rotate them this way. Of course, who we use in combination dicated by opponent and what we want to do. I think Vereen/BJGE is a decent combo, as is Woody/Ridley.
     
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    [QUOTE]Suck as he may, he still averaged more yards per carry than Vereen and Ridley yesterday. Ridley had 4 carries/4 yards, Vereen 7 carries, 18 yards. Woody was the star yesterday with 4 carries/20 yards (5.0 avg.). Again, I really don't like the RB by committee approach. It doesn't seem to give any one back enough touches per game to build a rhythm. Imagine Brady swapping out with Hoyer every 2-3 plays. It seems counterproductive, especially given these guys possess similar talents more or less. Some better at catching than running, running than catching, but they are all fairly versatile in that regard. I'd rather see 1-2 guys used per game, given them more touches, then use 1-2 different guys the next game and rotate them this way. Of course, who we use in combination dicated by opponent and what we want to do. I think Vereen/BJGE is a decent combo, as is Woody/Ridley.
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    I don't know that we can use that as an indicator. Everyone and their dog knew NE was going to be running late in the game. Vereen and Ridley didn't have the benefit of the space that Woodhead and BJGE had.

    Apples to apples would be if Vereen or Ridley were allowed to start a game. 


     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Ben Jarvis Green Ellis sucks :  Hell maybe I should audition for the Pats RB role. I could "fall forward" too. Posted by murghkhor[/QUOTE]

    Or get snapped in half in about three seconds.

     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Ben Jarvis Green Ellis sucks : I don't know that we can use that as an indicator. Everyone and their dog knew NE was going to be running late in the game. Vereen and Ridley didn't have the benefit of the space that Woodhead and BJGE had. Apples to apples would be if Vereen or Ridley were allowed to start a game. 
    Posted by zbellino[/QUOTE]

    Vereen and Ridley do not have the experience to pick up audibles or blitzes. With BJGE in there you can go in any dirrection with the play calling.
     
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    Home sick re-watching game right now.  (Missed a lot yesterday while cooking a big Sunday dinner.)  

    To all the haters, I want to remind you that Benny ground out a very impressive drive for their second possession.  His running in the first QTR rescued a floundering passing attack.  I realized this yesterday  as I watched it live and I am reminded of it today.  

    And for you Brady-worshippers knocking the run game or Benny, Brady said today that the run game yesterday early in the game set up the passing game to be successful later. 

    The O line has been in constant flux (note all the hits to Brady this year), with tons of injuries. All of the lineman are playing injured this year.  Not just hurt.  Injured.  Benny is playing with turf toe.  That puts RBs on IR!  For Benny to do as well as he has, as a short-down specialist, with three centers...the guy is just gettin' it done.  I love him.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Ben Jarvis Green Ellis sucks : Or get snapped in half in about three seconds.
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    Given enough time he'll fall backwards and then get snapped in half. He probably thinks he can out coach BB as well. Clearly delusional.
     
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Ben Jarvis Green Ellis sucks : I don't know that we can use that as an indicator. Everyone and their dog knew NE was going to be running late in the game. Vereen and Ridley didn't have the benefit of the space that Woodhead and BJGE had. Apples to apples would be if Vereen or Ridley were allowed to start a game. 
    Posted by zbellino[/QUOTE]

    Agree. But, how do you get all 4 equal touches in similar situations to assess what is working and what isn't? It's nearly impossible. That is why I voted for going 1 full game with 2, and another full game with 2.
     
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    Vereen and Ridley are getting carries in what is arguably the most complicated offense in the league.  I don't have a problem at all with the way BB handles young RBs.  And I as I indicated earlier, BJGE is serviceable, reliable and consistent.  As Chris pointed out, BJGE gave the Pats some tough and much-needed carries early in the game. 

     
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    Here's something I never get: here's a guy, Belichick, who probably works 80+ hours a week prepping for the game, and you think you know better than him when it comes to putting Ridley and Vereen into the game? Get a clue.
     

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