Re: Best QB in the Past 5 Years?
posted at 4/23/2012 7:29 AM EDT
In Response to Re: Best QB in the Past 5 Years?
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Best QB in the Past 5 Years? : Name the acheivements Brady has that he doesn't deserve...go on then!! It doesn't matter about voting as you're a manning fan and therefore a stats guy take a look at the stats from 09 at least there were better QBs that year simple as. 06 come on man what year were you watching who the hell is Reche Caldwell or Chad Jackson, they may have been taken in the 2nd round but that doesn't make them better players. I mean if you're going to talk like that you may as well bring into the equation the fact that Welker went undrafted, as well as Woodhead, as well as Green-Ellis etc. Stop bringing up the superior D thing as well man it's stupid, it works both ways look if Manning doesn't have the premier talent he may not be as good a passer but in saying that if he had used slightly less expenisive recievers during his career they may have won for championships...but he didn't at the end of the day and that's all that matters!
Posted by danemcmenamin[/QUOTE]
The point is to not diminish anyone's accomplishments. You seem hell bent on minimizing everyone elses for the purpose of propping up Brady.
And how is it I am a stat guy just because I am a colts/manning fan? Do you somehow think that Tom Brady's MVP's were won without stats? What criteria are you using to minimize Manning's? Stats!
The whole stat rant about QB's is the most bogus and transparent rant you guys play. Brady's demonstrated he's as much a stat hore as any QB out there. To make matters worse you criticize stats then use them to attempt to make your point. At least be logical. In 09, Manning didn't lose a game until the superbowl. He won every game he played to that point and had the colts with the lead when they sat him vs. the Jets. Brees lost game 14 at home playing the entire game vs. Dallas. The MVP was one of attrition and Manning won by outlasting Brees in the win column. In addition to that (for the non-stat guy who wants to use stats to prove a point) Manning engineered that season with a rookie 4th rd receiver and a 2nd yr 6th rd receiver from DIII Mt. Union who'd caught only 4 NFL passes the previous season. Like it or not, neither of these players were established or coveted and Manning turned them into stars.
Sorry, but the superior D thing is not stupid. In fact, it is part of the reason why the pats aren't winning superbowls anymore.
As for Manning's premier talent, did you ever consider that he may have made them that way? Dallas Clark couldn't unseat a UDFA early in his career to completely take the TE position. Are Garcon and Collie superior talents or did Manning make them that way? If they were superior how come they weren't drafted until the 4th and 6th rd. Surely someone would have snapped them up earlier, right?
Did you know Chad Jackson was drafted only a few spots after Reggie Wayne? Dramatically different career paths, huh? Was this poor picking, different talent, or different development. What receivers has Brady developed? It appears that he is finally doing something with Gronkowski and Hernandez, but prior to that who didn't already have a body of work in the NFL?
Anyway - quit diminishing Manning's accomplishments. He's easily in the discussion as one of the top QB's of the past 5 years if anyone is.