Re: Bills @ Patriots REPORT CARD
posted at 9/28/2010 1:57 PM EDT
In Response to Re: Bills @ Patriots REPORT CARD
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Bills @ Patriots REPORT CARD : RESPONSE: As I've said on several occasions now, it is MY OPINION. Furthermore, why do you and other kool-aiders find it necessary to twist my words? There's a huge difference between being in a fog...which indicates that his mind wasn't in the game...and him being lazy. As for my statement being garbage , I am entitled to my opinion...just as you are. - OK, whatever I'm not going to argue semantics with you.RESPONSE: Of course you're not. You know that you've misquoted me, and twisted my words into calling Tom Brady "lazy", and into blaming Brady for all that is wrong with this team. That's not what I said, and you know it.
The statement you said, the one that I quoted, the one you wrote about Brady is garbage.RESPONSE: I'm trying very hard to refrain from attacking you personally. But...when you come here and say that my opinion is garbage...that's akin to calling me an idiot. Disagree with me all you like...but there's no need to be rude.
Sure, I guess it's your opinion that Brady was effected by the SB loss and it affected his game play. It's my opinion that the moon is made of cheese. But the moon either is or is not made of cheese. Brady either is or is not bothered by the loss. One is a fact, one is not.RESPONSE: I'm going to let that slide...refer to my comment above.
You couldn't possible know what's inside his head. Not only can you not really draw any conclusions about how Brady played in 2008 where is was a respectable 7 for 11 for 76 yards before getting injured but you can't possibly know what his state of mind is. It is arrogant to think you can. RESPONSE: I have watched him play since he came into the league, and, based on MY OPINION, he was out of sorts in that game, as if his mind were elsewhere. How is that arrogant? What's arrogant is you taking the position that there's no validity to my comments. How do you know? What makes you right? - I'm right because I don't claim to know what's on his mind. And yes, claiming Brady and the team are bothered by the SB loss is claiming you know what's in their heads. You don't. RESPONSE: And you do? Any human being would be bothered by so devastating a loss...with so much riding on that one game. It was the type of loss that a player will take to his grave. - I don't know. I know Elway lost 3 SB's before winning two. I don't know Brady or what he thinks or how he feels. I would never say I do. And TP would you agree with Rajon that the Pats are not trying to win this year?
RESPONSE: Of course not. Their problem is that their "D" stinks. And do both of you think this is the sort of objective fact based analysis that is above criticism?
RESPONSE: I have explained in detail, using stats, why their defense stinks. Do you think they have a good defense? But, if you wish to live in a fantasy world where everything Patriots is wonderful, be my guest. - Do I think the Patriots have a good defense?
Ummm.... in the post that you responded to (and it's still below) I wrote "The defense has played bad". Who's twisting things now. RESPONSE: I think I'm dealing with Underdog(gggg) again!! Here you are, trying to twist words to cover your tracks. There's a huge difference between the defense "playing bad", and the team having a terrible defense. The Pats "D" has allowed 75 points in three games (7 more were allowed by special teams) to teams with average at best offenses. That's terrible!!: http://www.projo.com/patriots/content/sp_fbn_pats_27_09-28-10_4DK3QFJ_v3.1f9bdff.html
RESPONSE: What the hell are you talking about? I'm saying the reason you are getting criticized by the regulars around here is because of this sort or garbage psychoanalysis. I've seen Zbellino, Tcal, Killa, Mighty, CarawayDJ, Pmike, myself and plenty of others criticize the Pats play. They can stick to facts, and nobody jumps on them because they know what they're talking about and don't try to interject into the state of mind of the players. RESPONSE: What does Brady's state of mind have to do with the Pats' terrible defense? That said, I do think that, after the SB, that the Patriots lost their swagger. They haven't beaten a good team on the road since that loss. That's a fact. They are constantly blowing games in the second half. That's a fact. Want more facts?: Here are some cold, hard ones: www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Articles/11_3315_Jets_find_Belichick_Defense_the_cure_for_what_ails_ya.html
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Brady's state of mind doesn't have anything to do with the defense. Really, I don't know that anybody has said the defense played well. Nobody is disagreeing with that point, it's the other stuff. The Defense has played bad, not everybody, but some people. Zbellino gives good breakdowns of plays and what went wrong, so does Reiss. RESPONSE: The defense has collectively stunk. If you don't like what I have to say, simply place me on ignore and go read "Z" and Reiss. -
Yeah, and you can place me on ignore also. Look, I don't usually mind reading your grades, they at least create good talking points for discussion which is why I come here, but lately they've been full of absurdities.RESPONSE: That's your opinion. My opinion is that the Pats as a team lost their swagger, and confidence, after losing that SB to the Giants. They haven't beaten a good team on the road since. How do you explain that? Has their talent regressed to the point where they are incapable of beating a good team on the road? Has BB forgotten how to coach? Or, could it be intangibles, such as the team doesn't believe in itself the way it once did? Could it be that this team lacks leadership? Could it be that this team doesn't really think that they can beat a good team on the road...that they now only "hope" to play well? Could it be that this team has no expectation of winning on the road?
I figured since you and Rajon were both enjoyed saying that anyone that disagrees with you is a Kool aid drinker and can't except "facts" than I would present your absurd statements to each other and see if you could see why people discredit your opinion.RESPONSE: Do you believe that the 2010 Patriots team has shown themselves to a a legitimate SB contender? Do you believe that their defense is terrible...or just has played bad thus far? What's going to happen when they face offenses like Green Bay, Indy, Miami, San Diego, Minnesota, and Baltimore?
He thought your statement about Brady might have some validity, you dismissed his.RESPONSE: What are you talking about? You're comparing my statement that Brady was psychologically affected by the 2007 SB loss to his statement that the "Pats are not trying to win"? So...if he agrees with me about my statement, I should agree with his?? That is absurd.
What I'm telling you is when you make statements about Brady's state of mind and other absurdities that you couldn't possibly know it discredits your whole post.RESPONSE: I reject your premise that my opinion on Brady being negatively affected by the 2007 SB loss is "an absurd statement". Disagree with me if you like, but I have shown a basis for it. Just because YOU disagree, doesn't make it absurd.
Like your just bitter about a loss and are throwing unfounded insults out at the Pats.RESPONSE: I reject your premise that my criticisms are "insults" to the Pats...and by this statement, you have shown yourself to be the kool-aider that I claim you to be. Unfounded criticisms? Please explain what criticisms I've made about the Pats that are "unfounded"??
Many people have tried to politely tell you the same thing.RESPONSE: Oh, really? Who are these "polite" people? I have been personally attacked by several of my fellow Patriots' fans merely because I dared to criticize the team's performances.
Instead of just admitting you were p*ssed about losing to the Jets when you said the stuff about Brady being in a fog and that contributing to his injury you have stubbornly stuck by that statement.RESPONSE: Losing to the Jets had nothing to do with my Brady comment. I believe that, after losing that SB, he wasn't his same, confident self. That SB game had not just a world championship riding on it, but football immortality, To be that close, and to lose it in the manner in which they did, would damage any human being's ego, and confidence. Intangibles are a huge part of football. The Pats haven't beaten a good team on the road since 2007, and consistently blows games in the second half. Prior to that SB loss, was that a trademark of Patriots' teams? A coincidence? A lack of talent? Bad luck? Or...could it be that this team has lost its' swagger...and confidence...that they no longer expect to win?
That's all, I don't hate you TP. I would just rather see you get back to football, so I can enjoy reading your posts.RESPONSE: Again, intangibles play a huge part in the success or failure of a team. Apparently...you disagree with this.
I don't always agree with your grades but I can accept that we can disagree on that sometimes but when your saying stuff about the Pats or Brady't state of mind than I can't take your grades seriously.RESPONSE: Saying what "stuff" about the Pats?
I've said my piece now so I'm done with this thread.RESPONSE: I fully understand why you would rather not respond.
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