Brady/Manning Fans may have to adjust their thinking

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    well, now the moron segment of the population has started a thread, great.  
     
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    In Response to Brady/Manning Fans may have to adjust their thinking:
    [QUOTE]Seems there are other QB's who have performed better when it mattered.  http://community.advancednflstats.com/2010/12/playoff-qbs-who-carry-their-teams-and.html
    Posted by UD6[/QUOTE]

    You take Warner and I'll still take Brady, thanks.
     
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    Sad. It really is.   I suppose Rich Gannon is deserving to be on that list.

    I'll use my eyes, thanks.


     
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    Note how now that he can't defend manning, he has shifted his focus on dragging Brady down also, to a Manningesque level.
     
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    Tom Brady and Peyton Manning have dominated in the Q.B. role in the first 11 years of the NFL in the 21st century and that's a fact and everyone knows it, whether they say so or not.  What other Q.B.s have been consistently better?  None. 


    A sports writer, just like anyone else can set up their own statistical criteria or scenarios and then use them to make their point.  Stats can be manipulated to make any point the writer or analyst wants.  The bottom line is consistency in winning games.  Not just play-off games but all games.  That's what those two do, they win.  Anybody want to dispute that these guys win many, many, many games?  When was their last losing season?  They have never happened.

     
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    INTANVERAGE!!!!!!
     
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    [QUOTE]Note how now that he can't defend manning, he has shifted his focus on dragging Brady down also, to a Manningesque level.
    Posted by Davedsone[/QUOTE]

    Did you actually read the article?  There is reason to defend Manning as noted in the article.  There are just some who have been better than both.
     
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    Statistics you make them say anything.

    I'm not a stats guru.  However trying to equate one QB stat to should be wins and should be losses is like trying to say a pitcher is bad when he loses 10 games in a row where he gave up 10 hits but only lost all 10 in 1-0 games.

    Maybe in the should be losses the running game was great.
    Maybe the defense and special teams had scores. And the QB just had to manage the game. 
    How many dropped passes were there that if caught would increase the stat?????
    You also can not just total them up and use an ave. since just one dumper or 5 dropped 20 yd throws can ruin the average as well.

    The only thing it can say is that in certain games the QB AYA was not as good or better than the other QB.

    You can not make one stat mean everything to one positional player in the NFL. It is impossible and unfair especially in football.
     
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    Ultimately, I think the point of it was (and yes you can find stats to say nearly anything) that the labels applied to QB's based on their teams' playoff record is shortsighted. 
     
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    Roethlisberger is rated higher than Tom or Peyton. 

    This list is therefore sh*t. =) Thank you, have a nice day. 

    If I'm starting a team today, the QBs I want are Tom Brady or Peyton Manning. 

    6 SB appearances between them. These two are champs. 
     
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    shut the front door, Pump the breaks. time out.

    UD6 are you seriously giving this list any real thought or accuracy?

    QB's that carry their teams when it matters most? Really? you think this list is legit?

    Brady is 11th on that list. Are you saying that he doesnt play good when it matters most? His 3 superbowl wins don't factor in at all?

    Rivers is 6 spots above brady, how many playoff games has rivers won on that loaded with talent team?

    Manning has 1 superbowl title, hes 5 spots above brady.

    Quarterback↓Games Started↓Wins↓Losses↓Percent↓
    Joe Montana[1]23167.696
    Terry Bradshaw[2]19145.737
    Tom Brady[3]19145.737
    John Elway[4]21147.667
    Brett Favre[5]241311.542
    Troy Aikman[6]15114.733
    Roger Staubach17116.647
    Ben Roethlisberger[7]12102.833
    Bart Starr[8]1091.900
    Kurt Warner1394.692
    Donovan McNabb1697.563
    Jim Kelly1798.529
    Peyton Manning[9]19910.474
    That says everything you need to know about players performing when it matters. Winners win, Pretenders go home.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Brady/Manning Fans may have to adjust their thinking : In Underpant's  opinion, of course.  How about we go by who is uglier?
    Posted by Patsfansince1966[/QUOTE]

    For the women who care about how football players look, this would be fine. 
     
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    [QUOTE]shut the front door, Pump the breaks. time out. UD6 are you seriously giving this list any real thought or accuracy? QB's that carry their teams when it matters most? Really? you think this list is legit? Brady is 11th on that list. Are you saying that he doesnt play good when it matters most? His 3 superbowl wins don't factor in at all? Rivers is 6 spots above brady, how many playoff games has rivers won on that loaded with talent team? Manning has 1 superbowl title, hes 5 spots above brady. Quarterback Games Started Wins Losses Percent Joe Montana [ 1 ] 23 16 7 .696 Terry Bradshaw [ 2 ] 19 14 5 .737 Tom Brady [ 3 ] 19 14 5 .737 John Elway [ 4 ] 21 14 7 .667 Brett Favre [ 5 ] 24 13 11 .542 Troy Aikman [ 6 ] 15 11 4 .733 Roger Staubach 17 11 6 .647 Ben Roethlisberger [ 7 ] 12 10 2 .833 Bart Starr [ 8 ] 10 9 1 .900 Kurt Warner 13 9 4 .692 Donovan McNabb 16 9 7 .563 Jim Kelly 17 9 8 .529 Peyton Manning [ 9 ] 19 9 10 .474 That says everything you need to know about players performing when it matters. Winners win, Pretenders go home.
    Posted by ChasaB[/QUOTE]

    The point, chase, is that sometimes QB's play winning football but lose and others play losing football yet win.  It points to the fact that 45 dressed players in a game.  There are 21 other players on offense and defense, not to mention those who play special teams, who have an impact on the game's outcome beyond the QB.  QB's are too frequently blamed for losses and credited with wins.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Brady/Manning Fans may have to adjust their thinking : The point, chase, is that sometimes QB's play winning football but lose and others play losing football yet win.  It points to the fact that 45 dressed players in a game.  There are 21 other players on offense and defense, not to mention those who play special teams, who have an impact on the game's outcome beyond the QB.  QB's are too frequently blamed for losses and credited with wins.
    Posted by UD6[/QUOTE]

    Well when you drive down the field for the game winning drive your are going to get a lot of credit for the win, and when you drive down the field and throw a game losing INT you are going to get a lot of blame for losing. It's what happens in crunch time that people remember.
     
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    In Response to Re: Brady/Manning Fans may have to adjust their thinking:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Brady/Manning Fans may have to adjust their thinking : Well when you drive down the field for the game winning drive your are going to get a lot of credit for the win, and when you drive down the field and throw a game losing INT you are going to get a lot of blame for losing. It's what happens in crunch time that people remember.
    Posted by TeamDestruction[/QUOTE]

    Of course you have situations where the QB is either never behind or only behind by 3.  In this case, it's not incumbent on the QB to serve up a TD but only FG position which is substantially more difficult.  

    I think an interesting stat would be how many game winning drives did QB's have that required or resulted in a TD (not a FG). 
     
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    hmmm, pfs66 that might be a pretty narrow group.
     
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    Big Ben wins one more Superbowl and you have to credit greatness. Rings matter. He gets one more and you have to bring his name up with modern day top QB's.
     
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    the point is UD6 Some QB's are CONSISTENTLY on the winning team. A winning team starts at the top and rolls down.

    The Arizona cardinals lost 3 key players last year, there 2nd wide reciever, a good defensive player, and the QB. They went from superbowl quality, to out of the playoffs.

    The patriots went from 18-1 and losers of the superbowl, to 11-5 and out of the playoffs because they lost their starting QB, with Brady the pats win the AFC east again, and possibly contend for the title.

    Basically what im saying is your QB is a leader of a team, Some QB's lead thier teams to greatness(Brady, Montana, Aikman) And some QB's lead their teams well until the spotlight is brightest(manning) But lets ignore the 2 superbowl MVP's brady has, those games were not important.
     
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