Brady record against some of our favorite teams.

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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Brady record against some of our favorite teams. : More Babe-like BS. The Giants defense had key injuries through most of the season and were 100% for the 1st time all season when they entered the playoffs. The Pats D held the Giants to BELOW their season scoring average as well as coming under their points allowed season average. And in another babe more you're concentrating on the one stat that backs you--time of possession. At the same time you're conviniently ignoring the amount of possessions of which the Giants had 1 more than the Pats. This is the same BS as whining about regular season yards surrendered ranking while choosing to ignore the points given up ranking.
    Posted by glenr[/QUOTE]
    Yes the jints D was injured for most of the season and the 28th rank is not a reflection of that but further proves they were much better than the Pat's D.
    They held the jints to under their average because of the low possessions.  50% scoring allowed is not representative of a good or even average D.  It is a terrible D.  No 6 & outs and no turn-overs contributed to and were the main cause of the poor ToP.  They got turn overs and 3 & outs during the regular season and still had the 2nd worse yrds p/g.
    They did none of that in the SB. 
    What's worse than a 31st ranking in the regular season.  Simple!  Not doing any of those things that got you that 31st placed ranking in the first place.  If not for their high % of turn overs, they would have been last by a mile.

    Where do you see the jints had an extra possession?  That is news to me.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Brady record against some of our favorite teams. : Another Babe-like response. Credit the Giants offense with Brady's mistakes and blame our defense for Manning not making any mistakes. Just ignore the little fact that the bulk of turnovers are caused by mistakes not defensive plays. Or was the safety the result of the Giants D intimidating Brady from 10 yards away?
    Posted by glenr[/QUOTE]

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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Brady record against some of our favorite teams. : Yes the jints D was injured for most of the season and the 28th rank is not a reflection of that but further proves they were much better than the Pat's D. They held the jints to under their average because of the low possessions.  50% scoring allowed is not representative of a good or even average D.  It is a terrible D.  No 6 & outs and no turn-overs contributed to and were the main cause of the poor ToP.  They got turn overs and 3 & outs during the regular season and still had the 2nd worse yrds p/g. They did none of that in the SB.  What's worse than a 31st ranking in the regular season.  Simple!  Not doing any of those things that got you that 31st placed ranking in the first place.  If not for their high % of turn overs, they would have been last by a mile. Where do you see the jints had an extra possession?  That is news to me.
    Posted by pezz4pats[/QUOTE]

    I counted them up ignoring our last possession and the 8 seconds the Giants had at the end of the half.

    Why is it that you guys ignore the fact that most turnovers are the result of a mistake by the offense. Not that I don't know why. You're using Manning's mistake free game to rag on our D while excusing Brady's mistakes by giving credit to the Giants D. In a close game the team that makes they fewest mistakes usually wins. We made less mistakes than the Ravens ( any missed field goal from that close that wasn't pressured or blocked is a mistake ) and we won. We made more mistakes than the Giants and we lost.

    Plagiarized...

    Statistics have long shown a strong correlation between turnovers and success in wins and losses. The team that turns the ball over less in a given game is significantly more likely to win that game, and therefore a large emphasis is placed on both protecting the ball on offense and forcing turnovers on defense. Interceptions are calculated into the formula that is used to evaluate quarterbacks, and runners are often judged poorly if they are prone to fumbling. The turnover margin, a statistic which compares the number of turnovers created to the number of turnovers committed, is commonly used to show the overall effectiveness of a team's offense and defense.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Brady record against some of our favorite teams. : Thanks babe Jr for ignoring the little 15th in points given up stat and the little known fact that games are decided by points not yardage stats
    Posted by glenr[/QUOTE]

    Yardage stats influence points when they are keeping the O off the field.  Period. 
    Fact is, a lot of the pats games were less than 12 possessions which would account for the lower points given up and the higher yardage.
    They gave up a lot of yards which in turn lowered the possessions which in turn lowered the points against.  Get It? 
    You should, it's been happening that way for the past 2 years at least.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Brady record against some of our favorite teams. : I counted them up ignoring our last possession and the 8 seconds the Giants had at the end of the half. Why is it that you guys ignore the fact that most turnovers are the result of a mistake by the offense. Not that I don't know why. You're using Manning's mistake free game to rag on our D while excusing Brady's mistakes by giving credit to the Giants D. In a close game the team that makes they fewest mistakes usually wins. We made less mistakes than the Ravens ( any missed field goal from that close that wasn't pressured or blocked is a mistake ) and we won. We made more mistakes than the Giants and we lost. Plagiarized... Statistics have long shown a strong correlation between turnovers and success in wins and losses. The team that turns the ball over less in a given game is significantly more likely to win that game, and therefore a large emphasis is placed on both protecting the ball on offense and forcing turnovers on defense. Interceptions are calculated into the formula that is used to evaluate quarterbacks, and runners are often judged poorly if they are prone to fumbling. The turnover margin , a statistic which compares the number of turnovers created to the number of turnovers committed, is commonly used to show the overall effectiveness of a team's offense and defense.
    Posted by glenr[/QUOTE]

    You should have ignored the 8 seconds for the jints at the half and the 6 seconds for the safety, not the pats last possession..  The last possession was a possession, allbeit a shortened one due to time left.
    All picks are not offensive mistakes, because not all offensive mistakes result in picks.  It takes a D to capitalize on them.  A batted ball can still end up in the arms of the O if the D does not capitalize.  A short pass or errant pass doesn't necessarily mean a pick.   It could just be an incompletion. The D has to make it happen.
     
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    WOW!!  Talk about a meltdown...lmao! Even half our fanbase thinks Brady sucks.
    I'm embarrassed to be a fan of this team. Laughing
     
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    We lost by 4 points....Brady gave away 9 free points. Why are we even having this discussion?
    Its simple....Tom Brady lost this game for us. Deal with it!!
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Brady record against some of our favorite teams. : You should have ignored the 8 seconds for the jints at the half and the 6 seconds for the safety, not the pats last possession..  The last possession was a possession, allbeit a shortened one due to time left. All picks are not offensive mistakes, because not all offensive mistakes result in picks.  It takes a D to capitalize on them.  A batted ball can still end up in the arms of the O if the D does not capitalize.  A short pass or errant pass doesn't necessarily mean a pick.   It could just be an incompletion. The D has to make it happen.
    Posted by pezz4pats[/QUOTE]

    Why would I ignore the safety as a possession?

    As for the pick. I was countering Babe's claims that the INT was meaningless because it was just like a punt (????) and that a safety isn't a turnover. While a safety may not be kept as a turnover stat since it has its own stat column it basically is a turnover with 2 bonus points. So we've got a safety that was meaningless and wasn't a turnover and an INT that was meaningless because it was like a punt. It's pathetic.

    Turnovers we could go all day on. If a back is carrying the ball like a loaf of bread and someone punches it out you could easily argue both ways. Credit the D for knocking the ball out and recovering it but would the ball had come loose if it had been carried correctly? Same goes for INTs on tipped balls. A bad throw could have resulted in the tip or a blown catch but on the other side the defender may have had to make a diving grab to catch it. He may also have just been in the right place and had it hit him in the chest.

    The whole point was another Babe counter. According to him the mistake free game by the Giants was all because our terrible D couldn't create turnovers not because Manning didn't make any mistakes. He cites the turnovers our D had in the regular season while ignoring the fact that a lot of them were made on desperation plays by our opponent who was losing in the 4th.
     
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    Patriots' Super Bowl confetti used to celebrate 4th of July

     
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    [QUOTE]WOW!!  Talk about a meltdown...lmao! Even half our fanbase thinks Brady sucks. I'm embarrassed to be a fan of this team.
    Posted by CoolPat[/QUOTE]

    Nobody thinks he sucks. Although he said himself that he sucked vs the Ravens. The point is that he did not play up to his usual standards in the playoffs and some people refuse to admit that.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Brady record against some of our favorite teams. : Nobody thinks he sucks. Although he said himself that he sucked vs the Ravens. The point is that he did not play up to his usual standards in the playoffs and some people refuse to admit that.
    Posted by glenr[/QUOTE]

    I'll admit it. Laughing
     
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    [QUOTE]We lost by 4 points....Brady gave away 9 free points. Why are we even having this discussion? Its simple....Tom Brady lost this game for us. Deal with it!!
    Posted by CoolPat[/QUOTE]

    Tom only gave away 2 points they did not score on the interception... they had a nice long drive and punted.... score was 17- 15 Pats before and after the interception.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Brady record against some of our favorite teams. : Tom only gave away 2 points they did not score on the interception... they had a nice long drive and punted.... score was 17- 15 Pats before and after the interception.
    Posted by csylvia79[/QUOTE]


    Wrong...Safety=2 points..Giants get possession, Giants score a TD, 7+2 =9
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Brady record against some of our favorite teams. : Why would I ignore the safety as a possession? As for the pick. I was countering Babe's claims that the INT was meaningless because it was just like a punt (????) and that a safety isn't a turnover. While a safety may not be kept as a turnover stat since it has its own stat column it basically is a turnover with 2 bonus points. So we've got a safety that was meaningless and wasn't a turnover and an INT that was meaningless because it was like a punt. It's pathetic. Turnovers we could go all day on. If a back is carrying the ball like a loaf of bread and someone punches it out you could easily argue both ways. Credit the D for knocking the ball out and recovering it but would the ball had come loose if it had been carried correctly? Same goes for INTs on tipped balls. A bad throw could have resulted in the tip or a blown catch but on the other side the defender may have had to make a diving grab to catch it. He may also have just been in the right place and had it hit him in the chest. The whole point was another Babe counter. According to him the mistake free game by the Giants was all because our terrible D couldn't create turnovers not because Manning didn't make any mistakes. He cites the turnovers our D had in the regular season while ignoring the fact that a lot of them were made on desperation plays by our opponent who was losing in the 4th.
    Posted by glenr[/QUOTE]

    You ignore the safety because it was one play and took 6 seconds off the clock, the same way the gints 8 seconds was one play and took 8 seconds off the clock.
    Why would you disallow the last Pats possession that actually had 2, first downs?  I don't get that.
    They both had 8 possessions if you deduct the 6 second and 8 second ones.  Of course you could count them if you want to but you'd  have to count both of them, not just one.
    Do you think a QB completes 75% of his passes because he is just that darn good or that possibly, the D was just that darn bad?
    The Best QB's only complete about 67% of their passes.  Are you saying that Eli is that much better than the best?
    Can you show me another game where Eli completed 75% of his passes?
     
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    The question where are all these haters coming from in the last week just to bash Brady and they don't even know the factual BS they spew.  I can see why Babe gets so testy... Let me sign up to the Frontburner just this week to agree with blasting Brady. 

    Something is fishy with this new influx of people saying the same thing skewing these threads.  Some seem obvious  that they are various versions of the same people. 

    Do people really have to use multiple accounts to sell their point?
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Brady record against some of our favorite teams. : Wrong...Safety=2 points..Giants get possession, Giants score a TD, 7+2 =9
    Posted by CoolPat[/QUOTE]

    I think the D gave up 7, not the O.

    That's what normally happens when you change possessions and the other team scores.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Brady record against some of our favorite teams. : Tom only gave away 2 points they did not score on the interception... they had a nice long drive and punted.... score was 17- 15 Pats before and after the interception.
    Posted by csylvia79[/QUOTE]

    They did not score on the INT because???????? The defense stopped them? Oh wait they couldn't have because they suck!

    As for the 2 points..It's the nearing the end of the game and you have the ball with little time on the clock. Better to be able to go to OT with a FG or to have to score a touchdown. Of course all teams would rather have to drive down for a TD right? Especially if they have a kicker with a good leg and they're indoors.
     
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    [QUOTE]The question where are all these haters coming from in the last week just to bash Brady and they don't even know the factual BS they spew.  I can see why Babe gets so testy... Let me sign up to the Frontburner just this week to agree with blasting Brady.  Something is fishy with this new influx of people saying the same thing skewing these threads.  Some seem obvious  that they are various versions of the same people.  Do people really have to use multiple accounts to sell their point?
    Posted by csylvia79[/QUOTE]

    Exactly!
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Brady record against some of our favorite teams. : You ignore the safety because it was one play and took 6 seconds off the clock, the same way the gints 8 seconds was one play and took 8 seconds off the clock. Why would you disallow the last Pats possession that actually had 2, first downs?  I don't get that. They both had 8 possessions if you deduct the 6 second and 8 second ones.  Of course you could count them if you want to but you'd  have to count both of them, not just one. Do you think a QB completes 75% of his passes because he is just that darn good or that possibly, the D was just that darn bad? The Best QB's only complete about 67% of their passes.  Are you saying that Eli is that much better than the best? Can you show me another game where Eli completed 75% of his passes?
    Posted by pezz4pats[/QUOTE]

    Strange as it may sound I was giving Babe a break.

    As for Eli's passing. One would hope their QB would play their best game in the SB. In that last scoring drive he made a perfect sideline throw that could only have been caught by the receiver. One foot in and it could have been defended since the coverage was tight. One foot out and the receiver couldn't have caught it. It was the throw of the game.

    By the way didn't we know our secondary was weak? Yet they did hold the Giants to under their season scoring average.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Brady record against some of our favorite teams. : Wrong...Safety=2 points..Giants get possession, Giants score a TD, 7+2 =9
    Posted by CoolPat[/QUOTE]

    http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?section=nfl&id=7544875

    Here is the Play by Play

    FOURTH QUARTER

    2-3-NE 38 (15:00) B.Green-Ellis left tackle to NE 43 for 5 yards (M.Boley).

    1-10-NE 43 (14:31) (No Huddle, Shotgun) T.Brady pass deep left intended for R.Gronkowski INTERCEPTED by C.Blackburn (J.Pierre-Paul) at NYG 8. C.Blackburn to NYG 8 for no gain (R.Gronkowski).

    1-10-NYG 8 (14:17) (Run formation) E.Manning pass incomplete deep right to H.Nicks.

    2-10-NYG 8 (14:12) (Run formation) A.Bradshaw right end to NYG 13 for 5 yards (B.Spikes). FUMBLES (B.Spikes), recovered by NYG-C.Snee at NYG 11. C.Snee to NYG 11 for no gain (V.Wilfork).

    Timeout No. 1 by New York at 13:23.

    3-7-NYG 11 (13:23) (Shotgun) E.Manning pass incomplete short left to V.Cruz. PENALTY on NE-R.Ninkovich, Defensive Offside, 5 yards, enforced at NYG 11 -- No Play.

    3-2-NYG 16 (13:18) (Shotgun) E.Manning pass short left to H.Nicks to NYG 28 for 12 yards (D.McCourty).

    1-10-NYG 28 (12:44) (Run formation) A.Bradshaw up the middle to NYG 30 for 2 yards (R.Ninkovich).

    2-8-NYG 30 (12:03) (Shotgun) E.Manning pass short left to V.Cruz to NYG 37 for 7 yards (K.Arrington). NYG-J.Ballard was injured during the play.

    3-1-NYG 37 (11:38) (Run formation) E.Manning pass short right to V.Cruz to NYG 45 for 8 yards (B.Spikes).

    1-10-NYG 45 (10:57) (Run formation) E.Manning pass short left to M.Manningham to NE 43 for 12 yards (B.Spikes).

    1-10-NE 43 (10:12) (Run formation) E.Manning pass short left to H.Nicks pushed ob at NE 38 for 5 yards (A.Molden).

    2-5-NE 38 (9:41) (Run formation) E.Manning pass incomplete deep right to M.Manningham.

    Timeout No. 2 by New York at 09:35.

    3-5-NE 38 (9:35) (Shotgun) PENALTY on NYG-K.Boothe, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at NE 38 -- No Play.

    3-10-NE 43 (9:35) (Shotgun) E.Manning pass incomplete short right to M.Manningham (S.Moore).

    4-10-NE 43 (9:31) S.Weatherford punts 35 yards to NE 8, Center-Z.DeOssie, fair catch by W.Welker.


    The giants DID NOT score off of the interception... it only lead to a punt. Your memory is wrong! Now if you want to say the pats didn't scorew on the next drive fine but Brady only gave up 2 points.

     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Brady record against some of our favorite teams. : Strange as it may sound I was giving Babe a break. As for Eli's passing. One would hope their QB would play their best game in the SB. In that last scoring drive he made a perfect sideline throw that could only have been caught by the receiver. One foot in and it could have been defended since the coverage was tight. One foot out and the receiver couldn't have caught it. It was the throw of the game. By the way didn't we know our secondary was weak? Yet they did hold the Giants to under their season scoring average.
    Posted by glenr[/QUOTE]

    Are you really this dense Rusty... the scoring was low because the Giants Played the game so it would be that way.  Anyone who has some football experience would know that. 
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Brady record against some of our favorite teams. : Exactly!
    Posted by pezz4pats[/QUOTE]

    Babe gets testy because he wants to hold Brady completely blameless for the loss. He does that by excusing away the offense's mistakes and bashing the D. If spreading out blame to where it is obviously due is Brady bashing then I'm guilty. But remember this. I'm not excusing anybody. It was a team loss from the coaching staff on down. The defense gave up the TD in the 4th, Brady made mistakes and the coaching staff seemed to have no alternate plan for a hobbled Gronk.
     
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    [QUOTE]The question where are all these haters coming from in the last week just to bash Brady and they don't even know the factual BS they spew.  I can see why Babe gets so testy... Let me sign up to the Frontburner just this week to agree with blasting Brady.  Something is fishy with this new influx of people saying the same thing skewing these threads.  Some seem obvious  that they are various versions of the same people.  Do people really have to use multiple accounts to sell their point?
    Posted by csylvia79[/QUOTE]

    Just my opinion but Babe is most likely the person behind a few of these newbies. Babes purpose is to stir the pot and hurl insults over an internet message board. His way of picking on Rusty is to create new accounts and over sensationalize rusty's view points
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Brady record against some of our favorite teams. : Just my opinion but Babe is most likely the person behind a few of these newbies. Babes purpose is to stir the pot and hurl insults over an internet message board. His way of picking on Rusty is to create new accounts and over sensationalize rusty's view points
    Posted by TrueChamp[/QUOTE]

    Whatever is going on it is blatant. Even when we all agree with each other our syntax isn't 90% the same :p
     

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