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    Truth Hurts!  Redsox, I warned you what would happen if you keep blindly agreeing with a madman like Rusty. For those wondering what this thread is about... Rusty made the comment(while trying to support his agenda) that the 2003 defense could also be considered a failure due to them giving up 38 pts to the Panthers in the SB. My counter argument was that the 2003 defense was SOLID ALL YEAR! They got AFTER QBS AND got Turnovers and made CLUTCH STOPS! ALL YEAR! I pointed out that the SB was only a shootout after almost a whole half of bruising, hard hitting defensive play that the announcers said they hadnt seen in some time. The only reason it turned into a shootout because both defenses eventually wore down after battling so hard and pounding on the opposing offense that they started cramping and coming up lame. Eugene going down while covering Mushin. Brown breaking his nose. Rodney breaking his arm. VERY physical Game and not anywhere close to what weve seen from the 11 or 12 unit defensively and yet redsox blindly agreed with Rusty that the 2003 defense was bad and comparable to 12.....lol...Welp here it goes - Read is and Weep!

     

    Kerry Byrne of Cold, Hard Football Facts points out that with just a little help on defense, the Patriots could be bringing home a fourth Lombardi Trophy.

    The New England Patriots have been one of the dominant teams in football for more than a decade.

    It’s been eight years since the team last won a Super Bowl, but even in that time the Patriots have posted an awesome 86-26 (.768) record, as impressive as any team in history over such a long period.

    Tom Brady and the offense have led the way in recent years. In fact, the Patriots have a chance in 2012 to become the first franchise in NFL history to score 500-plus points in four different seasons (2007, 2010, 2011). For a little perspective, only 10 teams have topped 500 points even once.

    We are witnessing offensive history with the Patriots in recent years. Yet the fact remains that this offensive success has not produced a Super Bowl title.

    Balance Wins Super Bowls
    The difference between New England’s Super Bowl champions of the last decade and the great teams that fell short in recent years is unmistakable when you study the team through the all-powerful pigskin prism of our Cold, Hard Football Facts Quality Stats.

    The championship teams were simply more balanced than more recent teams: good on offense and good – sometimes very good – on defense, even if not always great on either side of the ball.

    The reality is that a balanced NFL team will almost always trump a team that’s great in one area but weak in another. Those statistical weak links almost always snap at the worst moments, as they have for the Patriots in recent years, and for decades of contenders that fell short before them.

    Fan should be encouraged by the fact that the Patriots aggressively targeted defenders in the 2012 draft. New England needs an injection of defensive playmakers to strengthen the glaring statistical weak links on that side of the ball.

    The discrepancy between prolific offense and weak-link defense was obvious when you examine the 2011 Patriots with our Quality Stats:

    Quality Stats Power Rankings (No. 8) – The Patriots, on average, ranked No. 11.5 among the 32 NFL teams in all our indicators, good enough for No. 8 overall. But the imbalance was evident:

    • The Patriots ranked on average 4th league-wide in our offensive indicators
    • The Patriots ranked on average 20th league-wide in our defensive indicators

    Real Passing Yards Per Attempt (No. 2) – The Patriots produced 7.89 yards every time they dropped back to pass (REAL Passing YPA counts sacks as attempts and subtracts the lost yardage). Anything over 7.0 is pretty impressive, anything near 8.0 is awesome. Only Green Bay was better than New England in 2011.

    Real Passing YPA is a key measure of team success: teams who won the Real Passing YPA battle last year went 186-70 (.727), according to our Correlation to Victory charts at CHFF Insider.

    Defensive Real Passing Yards Per Attempt (No. 29)New England’s opponents ripped off 7.13 yards every time they dropped back to pass. This performance was so bad that it nearly negated the incredible performance of the Patriots offense.

    For a little perspective, Pittsburgh’s defense topped this indicator, allowing opponents just 4.87 Real Passing YPA.

    Look at it this way: Pittsburgh’s opponents produced 146 yards for every 30 times they dropped back to pass. New England’s opponents produced 214 yards on 30 drop backs. Those 68 yards represent a huge discrepancy in performance.

    Real Quarterback Rating (No. 3) – Real QB Rating is our measure of all aspects of QB play, including passing plus rushing, sacks, fumbles, etc. The Patriots produced a Real QB Rating of just 99.35. Only the Packers (112.71) and Saints (105.43) were better.

    Defensive Real Quarterback Rating (No. 24) – New England’s opponents produced a Real QB Rating of 80.38. Even the defense for 2-14 St. Louis was better (78.73)

    Real QB Rating may be the single most important measure of team success in football. Teams who won the Real QB Rating last year went 223-33 (.871), plus 9-2 (.818) in the postseason, according to our Correlation to Victory chart at CHFF Insider. No stat in football has a higher Correlation to Victory.

    Offensive Passer Rating (No. 3) – Offensive Passer Rating merely applies the formula to measure individual quarterbacks to the entire team, meaning how all its quarterbacks performed (Brady threw all but one pass for the Patriots in 2011, so this number is a reflection of his performance). New England posted a 105.7 Offensive Passer Rating in 2011.

    Only Green Bay and New Orleans were better – and they were two equally imbalanced teams that also failed to win a championship despite historically great offenses.

    Defensive Passer Rating (No. 21) – Defensive Passer Rating takes the passer rating formula used to measure quarterbacks and applies it to pass defense. It has had a HUGE correlation to championship potential and success throughout NFL history.

    New England posted an 86.11 Defensive Passer Rating in 2011. For a little perspective, only four teams in history have won a championship with a DPR higher than 80, and none as high as 86.11. The Patriots simply did not have a Super Bowl-caliber defense in 2011.

    The Super Bowl champion 2003 Patriots posted the best Defensive Passer Rating in franchise history (56.2). This was the same team that picked off Peyton Manning four times in the AFC title game.

    Passer Rating Differential (No. 4) – Passer Rating Differential is what we call The Mother of All Stats: 36 percent of all NFL champs since 1940 have finished No. 1 in Passer Rating Differential; 65 percent finished in the Top 3. It merely subtracts a team’s Defensive Passer Rating from its Offensive Passer Rating.

    I made a presentation about the importance of PRD at NFL Films this summer.

    With a PRD of 19.58, the 2011 Patriots were well within the historic norms of an NFL champion. We made a pretty detailed presentation about PRD at NFL Films this summer, which you can see here. The problem, of course, was the lack of balance. One unit, the offense, was largely responsible for that solid PRD.

    Winning the passer rating battle is critical to team success. Teams that pass the ball more efficiently went 201-55 (.785) last year, according to our Correlation to Victory chart at CHFF Insider.

    Offensive Hog Index (No. 7) – The Patriots did not run the ball particularly well last year: 23rd with an average of 4.03 YPA. But that ability is completely overrated by fans and analysts.

    The 2003 Patriots won a Super Bowl with one of the worst rushing attacks in football, averaging just 3.4 YPA on the ground (30th out of 32 teams). The Giants were dead last rushing the football last year (3.47 YPA), but still won the Super Bowl.

    The reality is that teams win when they pass effectively, not when they run effectively. Otherwise, the 2011 Patriots were solid across the board in the other components of our Offensive Hog Index: No. 4 protecting the passer and No. 5 on third down.

    Defensive Hog Index (No. 25)Once again, the Patriots were much better on the offensive side of the ball than on the defensive side of the ball. The Patriots couldn’t stop the run (No. 24), were merely average rushing the passer (No. 15) and were terrible again in third-down defense (No. 28).

    Rushing the passer is particularly critical; since we introduced the Defensive Hog Index in 2007, the average Super Bowl champ has ranked on average No. 2 or No. 3 among all 32 NFL teams at pressuring the passer. The 2011 Giants were the third-best team in football rushing the passer.

    Scoreability (No. 4) – Scoreability is our measure of offensive efficiency. It tracks how effectively teams turn yards into points.

    The Patriots are consistently one of the best teams in football in offensive efficiency. They averaged a point scored for every 13.35 yards of offense, a VERY strong number. The Patriots scored the equivalent of 7 points for every 93.5 yards of offense.

    Bendability (No. 2) – The Bendability Index is our measure of defensive efficiency and our effort to quantify the bend-but-don’t-break phenomenon. It measures how hard teams make opponents work for points.

    New England is historically the leading and prototypical “bend but don’t break defense” even in the down defensive years, and 2011 was no exception. The Patriots forced opponents to march 19.23 yards for every point scored. To put it in perspective, opponents needed to churn out a daunting 134.6 yards to score the equivalent of a TD and extra point. Only San Francisco was better.

    At the end of the day, Scoreability and Bendability tell us which teams are the best at what is often called “situational football.” And the Patriots are consistently good to great at situational football.

    There are few indicators in football more important than winning this battle of efficiency, of playing smarter situation football. Teams that won the Scoreability-Bendability battle last year went 216-40 (.844) in 2011, plus a perfect 11-0 in the playoffs.

    Smart teams win games. And the Patriots are consistently a smart team. But smart teams with good quarterbacks and lights-out pass defenses win Super Bowls. The Patriots were just 2 of 3 in that equation last year.

    If the Patriots can only amp up pressure on quarterbacks this year and improve the defense – and the pass defense specifically – a fourth Lombardi Trophy is well within reach.
     
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    Another thread dedicated to Rusty?

     

     
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    In theory (with loads of backing evidence) this makes a lot of sense, but one cannot forget the eggs that the offense has laid in their postseason losses. 

    The offense has been a shell of itself in those losses. 

    Certainly a better defense would help, but it can only help so much.  Since the pats last superbowl win, look at the points scored in their losses.  Other than the colts game, the numbers are 13, 14, 14, 21, 17, and 13.  I am sure everyone of those scores are well below their season average. 

    This matters because I am sure Byrne is using stats from the regular season to make his argument.  I did not read the entire article

     
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    Rusty has minions? The people agreeing with Rusty are Rusty using his other handles

     
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    I am not going to read all that mainly because I think Kerry is a doofus who sits behind his compter trying to predict real football by making up and modifying his statistical methodolgies until he gets the results he wants for his site and future articles.

    The last time I looked up at the score board at the end of a game the team who scored more points won the game.

    ...and that's not to say that the defense can't or should not be improved upon.

    According to Kerry, at the end of your post, if the Pats simply improve the D and the Offense still goes out and scores 13 points it's Lombardi time. Idiotic.

    Here are the only stats that matter...

     

    Offense - The SUPERBOWL years

    offensesbyrs.jpg

    Defense - The SUPERBOWL years

     

     

    So basically two out of the three years the Pats won the superbowl the defense was worse than they were all season long in the biggest game but the offense saved them by not completely falling flat on their face.

    ...and if someone wants to use the argument that the Defense did not generate any turnovers in 2011 I can understand that and accept it as long as you also then accept that it means the offense is just smoke and mirrors and there success and point scoring ability is completely dependent on the defense giving them extra touches to figure it out because they are not efficient or consistent on their own merit.

    ...and if you accept that later point then you should be wishing the Patriots spend  more money in FA and in draft collateral helping the offense over the defense. You can't argue the point both ways. IMHO.

     
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    Smart teams win games. And the Patriots are consistently a smart team. But smart teams with good quarterbacks and lights-out pass defenses win Super Bowls. The Patriots were just 2 of 3 in that equation last year.

    If the Patriots can only amp up pressure on quarterbacks this year and improve the defense – and the pass defense specifically – a fourth Lombardi Trophy is well within reach.

    ^^^This just about sums it up - Brady has been there - the offense has been there, the defense can't get it done. Sad but true. Been that way for a long time now...time to change that...I think we will.

    The funny part is rusty will bash this writer and this website, when he was the guy that praised them when they said Merriweather was the third best safety in the AFC. LOL!

     
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    Rustys mom called him up from the basement for dinner. His grilled cheese is ready. 

     
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    This is way too much information, football is not that complicated. If the Giants don't make a hundred years play in '07 (or if Samuel hangs on to the ball) and if Welker catches the ball (or Brady thows a better pass, depending on your POV) in '11, they have 5 rings.

    The defense didn't lose those games, it didn't win them when it had a chance to, but it didn't lose them either.

    Fact is, the defense didn't win the '01 or '03 SBs either, in fact it did its very best to give those games away in the end, and the QB and the offense bailed them out. 

    Anybody can see that the defense hasn't been as good as the offense for a few years, but you can't credibly deny that the offense failed to perform anywhere near its expected level in the biggest games, the last two SBs and the AFCCG this year. The defense, on the other hand, probably performed slightly better than might have been expected in those two SBs. The Baltimore game was a fail on both sides of the ball, although the defense wasn't as bad as the offense.

     
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    Rusty has minions? The people agreeing with Rusty are Rusty using his other handles




    not minions really...just multiple accounts and sycophants

     
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    Rusty has minions? The people agreeing with Rusty are Rusty using his other handles



    Not always true. On occassion Rusty makes good points. Maybe he doesn't state them in the right way but he does bring them up on occassion

     
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    While I may agree with a lot of what Rusty says I don't think the defense was a failure. I think that both teams were so amped up for that game and fought hard until giving into fatigue, just like the article says. That 2003 defense was their best IMO. The injuries to Harrison and Wilson had a big impact too. Brady had one of his best of many great games that day, he made clutch throw after clutch throw and deserved that MVP.

     
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    i think rkarp is a bully

     
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    wow you are really grasping at straws now

     
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    Wow, your polite compared to Rusty trashing me all day. 

     

     
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    If the Patriots can only amp up pressure on quarterbacks this year and improve the defense – and the pass defense specifically – a fourth Lombardi Trophy is well within reach. 

     

    this has been the biggest problem IMO , it seems like they can never get to the quarterback on decisive third down plays. On the other side of the ball Brady usually has to make a quick throw or he's going to take the sack. Jones was a nice addition and a start but we need a lot more.

     
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    lol!

     
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    If the Patriots can only amp up pressure on quarterbacks this year and improve the defense – and the pass defense specifically – a fourth Lombardi Trophy is well within reach. 

     

    this has been the biggest problem IMO , it seems like they can never get to the quarterback on decisive third down plays. On the other side of the ball Brady usually has to make a quick throw or he's going to take the sack. Jones was a nice addition and a start but we need a lot more.



    True and the thing is at least this off season we won't have to be replacing guys like Carter and Anderson - it's tough to improve when you're just replacing, rather than adding to. We need a stud defensive tackle...how we get him, I don't know, but we must get that piece to take some of that heat off Wilfork. Maybe Armstead will help, but I wouldn't let Armstead stop me from signing or drafting another defensive lineman. To me this is critical.

     
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    If the Patriots can only amp up pressure on quarterbacks this year and improve the defense – and the pass defense specifically – a fourth Lombardi Trophy is well within reach. 

     

    this has been the biggest problem IMO , it seems like they can never get to the quarterback on decisive third down plays. On the other side of the ball Brady usually has to make a quick throw or he's going to take the sack. Jones was a nice addition and a start but we need a lot more.



    I agree with this, though not sure if Brady didn't have time. The OL held up well last year against the Ravens. Yes he had more pressure then during the regular season but there were times were he had plenty of time. The main issue I saw was that the Ravens CBs were physical at the line and Brady had to be perfect. He didn't have that large receiver (Gronk) to go up and get it in tight spaces and his other receivers didn't help either. But, there were also times it looked like he was rattled and had time but tried to force quick throws.

    The issue I see is on both the D and the O. The D couldn't get pressure and the secondary couldn't hold for more then 4s. The O can't be left without blame though. When you can't even get within shouting distance of your yearly average something is wrong. They need to diversify the O, get Brady some larger targets with bigger catching radius so if Brady gets in trouble he doesn't need to be perfect and doesn't need to feel he has to force balls into tight spaces.

     
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    I am not going to read all that mainly because I think Kerry is a doofus who sits behind his compter trying to predict real football by making up and modifying his statistical methodolgies until he gets the results he wants for his site and future articles.

    The last time I looked up at the score board at the end of a game the team who scored more points won the game.

    ...and that's not to say that the defense can't or should not be improved upon.

    According to Kerry, at the end of your post, if the Pats simply improve the D and the Offense still goes out and scores 13 points it's Lombardi time. Idiotic.

    Here are the only stats that matter...

     

    Offense - The SUPERBOWL years

    offensesbyrs.jpg

    Defense - The SUPERBOWL years

     

     

    So basically two out of the three years the Pats won the superbowl the defense was worse than they were all season long in the biggest game but the offense saved them by not completely falling flat on their face.

    ...and if someone wants to use the argument that the Defense did not generate any turnovers in 2011 I can understand that and accept it as long as you also then accept that it means the offense is just smoke and mirrors and there success and point scoring ability is completely dependent on the defense giving them extra touches to figure it out because they are not efficient or consistent on their own merit.

    ...and if you accept that later point then you should be wishing the Patriots spend  more money in FA and in draft collateral helping the offense over the defense. You can't argue the point both ways. IMHO.




    I don't know if this Kerry is an idiot, but his work presented above is deinfitely idiotic.

    His analysis fails on a very basic level -- i.e., using the wrong evidence to support his point. He used so much data to support his analysis yet all that data/ and fancy stats are from regular season (I know because he showed league rankings on every one of them) and even other playoff games; therefore are irrelevant to how the SB games themselves actually trasnpired. 

    At most, he could use those data and fancy stats as benchmarks for evaluating performance in the in the actual SB games - kinda what you did except that you did it only on the simplest, yet ultimate indicator of productive output - the score. 

    For about 6 months now, I have not commented on this perpetual debate of who's to blame for the two SB losses. I had a hard time resisting this time, to make the point that quant analysis per se is not to blame here. To blame here is how this person is applying quant analysis. 

    Frankly, in my work, I have seen a lot of people similar to Kerry - people who think they are good analysts, just because they know how to caclulate a desriptive stat like average or standard deviation, or perhaps calculate a correlation. There is more to analysis than that. 

     

     

     
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    I am not going to read all that mainly because I think Kerry is a doofus who sits behind his compter trying to predict real football by making up and modifying his statistical methodolgies until he gets the results he wants for his site and future articles.

    The last time I looked up at the score board at the end of a game the team who scored more points won the game.

    ...and that's not to say that the defense can't or should not be improved upon.

    According to Kerry, at the end of your post, if the Pats simply improve the D and the Offense still goes out and scores 13 points it's Lombardi time. Idiotic.

    Here are the only stats that matter...

     

    Offense - The SUPERBOWL years

    offensesbyrs.jpg

    Defense - The SUPERBOWL years

     

     

    So basically two out of the three years the Pats won the superbowl the defense was worse than they were all season long in the biggest game but the offense saved them by not completely falling flat on their face.

    ...and if someone wants to use the argument that the Defense did not generate any turnovers in 2011 I can understand that and accept it as long as you also then accept that it means the offense is just smoke and mirrors and there success and point scoring ability is completely dependent on the defense giving them extra touches to figure it out because they are not efficient or consistent on their own merit.

    ...and if you accept that later point then you should be wishing the Patriots spend  more money in FA and in draft collateral helping the offense over the defense. You can't argue the point both ways. IMHO.

     




     

    I don't know if this Kerry is an idiot, but his work presented above is deinfitely idiotic.

    His analysis fails on a very basic level -- i.e., using the wrong evidence to support his point. He used so much data to support his analysis yet all that data/ and fancy stats are from regular season (I know because he showed league rankings on every one of them) and even other playoff games; therefore are irrelevant to how the SB games themselves actually trasnpired. 

    At most, he could use those data and fancy stats as benchmarks for evaluating performance in the in the actual SB games - kinda what you did except that you did it only on the simplest, yet ultimate indicator of productive output - the score. 

    For about 6 months now, I have not commented on this perpetual debate of who's to blame for the two SB losses. I had a hard time resisting this time, to make the point that quant analysis per se is not to blame here. To blame here is how this person is applying quant analysis. 

    Frankly, in my work, I have seen a lot of people similar to Kerry - people who think they are good analysts, just because they know how to caclulate a desriptive stat like average or standard deviation, or perhaps calculate a correlation. There is more to analysis than that. 

     

     




    Seattle congrats!

    this may be the most nothing ever said using the most amount of intelligent sounding words and phrases

    BRAVO! ENCORE!

    (stands and applauds)

     
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    I am not going to read all that mainly because I think Kerry is a doofus who sits behind his compter trying to predict real football by making up and modifying his statistical methodolgies until he gets the results he wants for his site and future articles.

    The last time I looked up at the score board at the end of a game the team who scored more points won the game.

    ...and that's not to say that the defense can't or should not be improved upon.

    According to Kerry, at the end of your post, if the Pats simply improve the D and the Offense still goes out and scores 13 points it's Lombardi time. Idiotic.

    Here are the only stats that matter...

     

    Offense - The SUPERBOWL years

    offensesbyrs.jpg

    Defense - The SUPERBOWL years

     

     

    So basically two out of the three years the Pats won the superbowl the defense was worse than they were all season long in the biggest game but the offense saved them by not completely falling flat on their face.

    ...and if someone wants to use the argument that the Defense did not generate any turnovers in 2011 I can understand that and accept it as long as you also then accept that it means the offense is just smoke and mirrors and there success and point scoring ability is completely dependent on the defense giving them extra touches to figure it out because they are not efficient or consistent on their own merit.

    ...and if you accept that later point then you should be wishing the Patriots spend  more money in FA and in draft collateral helping the offense over the defense. You can't argue the point both ways. IMHO.

     




     

    I don't know if this Kerry is an idiot, but his work presented above is deinfitely idiotic.

    His analysis fails on a very basic level -- i.e., using the wrong evidence to support his point. He used so much data to support his analysis yet all that data/ and fancy stats are from regular season (I know because he showed league rankings on every one of them) and even other playoff games; therefore are irrelevant to how the SB games themselves actually trasnpired. 

    At most, he could use those data and fancy stats as benchmarks for evaluating performance in the in the actual SB games - kinda what you did except that you did it only on the simplest, yet ultimate indicator of productive output - the score. 

    For about 6 months now, I have not commented on this perpetual debate of who's to blame for the two SB losses. I had a hard time resisting this time, to make the point that quant analysis per se is not to blame here. To blame here is how this person is applying quant analysis. 

    Frankly, in my work, I have seen a lot of people similar to Kerry - people who think they are good analysts, just because they know how to caclulate a desriptive stat like average or standard deviation, or perhaps calculate a correlation. There is more to analysis than that. 

     

     

     




    Seattle congrats!

     

    this may be the most nothing ever said using the most amount of intelligent sounding words and phrases

    BRAVO! ENCORE!

    (stands and applauds)



    perhaps because it went over your head. the article actually fits what you describe.

    go ahead and elaborate on your point.

     
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    And your posts boast such brevity. LOL

     
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