Re: Can anyone explain to me why Rodgers does not get more MVP love?
posted at 1/7/2013 11:26 PM EST
In response to dapats1281's comment:
In response to UD6's comment:
dapats - Manning's had the hype for any number of reasons -
1. He's a 4 time MVP.
2. He changed teams, which means new personnel, new coaches, new system, no dome (which was always a big deal to many).
3. He's coming back from an injury that caused a loss of strength in his throwing arm and 4 surgeries in an attempt to correct it. He missed an entire year, and many speculated that he would be nowhere near the same player. Some thought his strength due to the severely pinched nerve would never return.
4. He's turned receivers from ranking in the 60s'and 70's into top 10 receivers according to Football Outsiders.
5. His team finished at the top of the AFC.
All of this said, this doesn't mean that Brady or Rodgers couldn't do the same. They could. But this year Manning truly transformed a team. He probably gets some consideration for that.
Finally, I still think that Peterson gets the MVP which would make the rest moot.
I disagree. I understand why there is hype. However, MVP is strictly in regards to the 2012 Regular season. Where he was/what happened last season or previous seasons should have no bearing on the award. That stuff is criteria for comeback player of the year.
How does Football Outsiders rank the top WRs? In 13 games last season, D. Thomas got 851 yards and 5 Tds. That's on pace for 1047 yards in a 16 game season. Here's the important part, he did all that with Tebow. Competent QB, maybe he gets 1200 yards, P Manning, 1400.
I don't understand people who thinks Manning made Thomas and Decker. They both had solid seasons for WRs who had the most inaccurate qb of all time throwing to them. It's just like people who said P Manning made Wayne, when he posted 1300 with Luck, or he made Garcon, when he played well this season when he was healthy.
My order would be:
Honestly, I want to put Watt in there. Barwin was a disappointment this season. Their middle linebacking corp has dwindled with injuries and Jonathon Joseph is the only good cover corner they have. Oh yeah, they're QB is kind of a choke too. Don't know if HOU wins its division without JJ. However, I think Foster is almost as important as him, and based on the way I judged things, having two players on one team as MVP candidates is a contradiction
You asked about the hype. I gave you my opinion of the reasons for the hype. You may think differently than the voters about what should or should not be. I am just giving you my thoughts on the hype.
As for football outsiders. They are an advanced stats site using their own developed metrics. You can agree or disagree with them, but they evaluate every play. Here's their information for 2012. You can do your own work to see where the Denver receivers were in 2011.
I never said that Manning made the receivers, but I do think that maximized their value. That's no different than what Brady or Rodgers would have done, but for Manning they are all new as was the system and the team and the venue. None of the same could be said for Rodgers or Brady.
I think alot of people think Watt should be in the consideration. Maybe he will be.