Casinos in Nevada

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    What happens in a casino in Reno stays in the casino. The casino's name is always protected. The only reason a 23 year old kid would complain to the management of a casino is if she was traumatize. If one is to believe BR then it's highly unlikely that he would have been her first fling and management would know this as well as other people. Both guys and girls like to talk. No one makes up a story and goes to the management or the police in Nevada on any issue concerning a casino, its just a fact of life. If you do you'll never get another job. The fact that the casino didn't fire her speaks volumns.

    The attorney is well known, respected and is politically connected. He wouldn't waste his time or blemish his good name for a case he couldn't prove, in a state where judges are elected and all for just 40% of a appx $400,000. Every corner of that building is digitally record, time stamped and stored forever on a hard drive. (there are also house phone and cell phone records) BR has a problem if the visuals are there and if they have disappeared, not only does BR still have a problem but now the management as well has a problem. Someone, if not all could lose their jobs. The attorney was very very smart is filing complaints only against individuals and not the casino. Divide and conquer. This type filing also renforces the argument that she justs wants justice served and only her hospital bills paid, nothing more. I'm sure the attorney already has copies of her medical records/bills and cell phone records. Big Ben is still little kid who's past actions have proved that he isn't very smart away from football field. If you think he looked a little disheveled today and out of his element reading a prepared statement then just wait until he is examined on the witness stand.

    As for the argument that a year had past before she filed her suit and that she never reported it to the police doesn't hold water. There are too many people who were altered by priests and never reported it to the police and who never complained for many years.

    I would expect this to be resolved in the near future. This attorney knows that timing is everything ,that's why he filed last week, just before training camp. Br isn't smart enough to concentrate on football with a lawsuit sitting in the stands. In the end both BR and the casino will claim it's better to settle the case and move on or the kid will drop the complaint. I would bet that BR would pay a lot more money to have the case dropped just to keep Godall from having to call the play. In either case the kid will get a ton of money but will never know how much.
     
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    [QUOTE]What happens in a casino in Reno stays in the casino. The casino's name is always protected. The only reason a 23 year old kid would complain to the management of a casino is if she was traumatize. If one is to believe BR then it's highly unlikely that he would have been her first fling and management would know this as well as other people. Both guys and girls like to talk. No one makes up a story and goes to the management or the police in Nevada on any issue concerning a casino, its just a fact of life. If you do you'll never get another job. The fact that the casino didn't fire her speaks volumns. The attorney is well known, respected and is politically connected. He wouldn't waste his time or blemish his good name for a case he couldn't prove, in a state where judges are elected and all for just 40% of a appx $400,000. Every corner of that building is digitally record, time stamped and stored forever on a hard drive. (there are also house phone and cell phone records) BR has a problem if the visuals are there and if they have disappeared, not only does BR still have a problem but now the management as well has a problem. Someone, if not all could lose their jobs. The attorney was very very smart is filing complaints only against individuals and not the casino. Divide and conquer. This type filing also renforces the argument that she justs wants justice served and only her hospital bills paid, nothing more. I'm sure the attorney already has copies of her medical records/bills and cell phone records. Big Ben is still little kid who's past actions have proved that he isn't very smart away from football field. If you think he looked a little disheveled today and out of his element reading a prepared statement then just wait until he is examined on the witness stand. As for the argument that a year had past before she filed her suit and that she never reported it to the police doesn't hold water. There are too many people who were altered by priests and never reported it to the police and who never complained for many years. I would expect this to be resolved in the near future. This attorney knows that timing is everything ,that's why he filed last week, just before training camp. Br isn't smart enough to concentrate on football with a lawsuit sitting in the stands. In the end both BR and the casino will claim it's better to settle the case and move on or the kid will drop the complaint. I would bet that BR would pay a lot more money to have the case dropped just to keep Godall from having to call the play. In either case the kid will get a ton of money but will never know how much.
    Posted by dogbones[/QUOTE]
     Good informative post, Thanks...
     
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    im glad im not a celebrity.ive always dreamed of being one when i was a kid,but with everything going on today.im thankful im not.its tough in this world  just being myself.
     
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    "The only reason a 23 year old kid would complain to the management of a casino is if she was traumatize."

    She's not a 23-year old "kid", she is a 31-year old woman.


    "Big Ben is still little kid who's past actions have proved that he isn't very smart away from football field."

    What past actions? you mean when he was a 23-year old kid and was involved in a motorcycle accident that wasn't his fault (wearing a helmet is a choice in PA).
    Roethlisberger is very active in the community whether it's for the Ronald McDonald House, for his foundation involving police K-9 units, football camps for kids, helping with the community efforts of his teammates, etc...it seems he does well away from the football field.

    "This type filing also renforces the argument that she justs wants justice served and only her hospital bills paid, nothing more."

    Once again, this is incorrect, she is also seeking "unspecified punitive damages" that the legal talking heads said could be in the millions of dollars!
     
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    I guess we'll learn more as time goes by.  Did the attorney take the case because he knows she's truthful, or because he thinks he can win?  They are not necessarily the same.  I'm skeptical of her claims, but cannot rule them out.  We cannot however, go by the accusers lawsuit filing and use it as evidence of guilt.  I would bet that every civil lawsuit filed in the nation reads as if it's a slam dunk case that shouldn't even go to trial.  Heck, every opening argument by he prosecution in criminal trials can make you say "give him the lethal injection now"! Only in the trial process do we learn what's true, what's not true, what's exaggerated, and what's not.  We have not heard any of the other side of the story, if in fact one exists.  

    Remember, the attorney only needs to prove "more likely than not".  It's hardly as if she needed a rock solid case for him to take it.  My guess is that he is counting on a quick settlement.  BR is likely getting a lot of pressure to put his pride aside and settle NOW so that his season and his team are not effected.  I'm sure her attorney didn't even factor that into his decision to take the case though...  I'm sure he's an honorable attorney who would never take a case for the money alone, there has to be good merit as well...  I gotta go now.  Flying pigs are pooping all over my house.
     
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    [QUOTE]"The only reason a 23 year old kid would complain to the management of a casino is if she was traumatize." She's not a 23-year old "kid", she is a 31-year old woman. "Big Ben is still little kid who's past actions have proved that he isn't very smart away from football field." What past actions? you mean when he was a 23-year old kid and was involved in a motorcycle accident that wasn't his fault (wearing a helmet is a choice in PA). Roethlisberger is very active in the community whether it's for the Ronald McDonald House, for his foundation involving police K-9 units, football camps for kids, helping with the community efforts of his teammates, etc...it seems he does well away from the football field. "This type filing also renforces the argument that she justs wants justice served and only her hospital bills paid, nothing more." Once again, this is incorrect, she is also seeking "unspecified punitive damages" that the legal talking heads said could be in the millions of dollars!
    Posted by dkmurph[/QUOTE]

    Please review the information contained in the following link.  It will shed some light about the motorcycle helmet law in PA.  At the time of the accident, BR didn't meet the requirments to allow him to ride without a helmet.  In fact, he wasn't even licensed to operate a motorcycle in the Keystone State.  So, he was in fact operating a motorcycle without proper licensing and without proper authority to ride without a helmet.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Casinos in Nevada : Please review the information contained in the following link.  It will shed some light about the motorcycle helmet law in PA.  At the time of the accident, BR didn't meet the requirments to allow him to ride without a helmet.  In fact, he wasn't even licensed to operate a motorcycle in the Keystone State.  So, he was in fact operating a motorcycle without proper licensing and without proper authority to ride without a helmet.
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    Casino jobs in Vegas are scarce these days, and employees are definetly expendable.  In this economy, the casinos wouldn't think twice about letting someone go if there's grounds for such an action.  I would believe the women if she said the reason why she didn't report the incident to police was to save her job.  Sure..it would be unethical for a casino to fire an employee because of the bad publicity it would receive from something like this, but that wouldn't stop them from doing so.  If she instead reported to incident to the management of the casino, as she claims she did, and they don't support her claim, then its only a matter of time before she finds some other job and no longer fears being let go.  At that point, she would feel comfortable blowing the whistle on BR and the casino's management. 

     
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    It's been years since I've visited the Silver State, but I know what dogbones posted is pretty accurate...or at least it was. The casinos and the cops are pretty much on the same page, and this may have been blown off by the authorities at the time. Still, as a matter of prudence (and to verify for the record) she should have at least filed a complaint, and asked for a copy of it. This way, even if they did not investigate it, it would be on file. And in such a case it might have provided her another defendant, as if they refused to look into it, and she won the civil case, she may have had an action against the cops themselves. Of course, she would have to forgo any career with a casino, and it would be wise for her to leave the state. But the thing I'm wondering is this. If this happened at her job, why would she be so afraid of losing it? If it were me, I wouldn't want to work in a place that allowed something like this to happen. Nevada may not be run by the same people who founded it decades ago, but I'm sure they still have the "unwritten rule", which surely would have made it next to impossible for her to maintain employment within the industry.
     
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    I can't say much about the job situation in Nevada.  Just for the heck of it though, I looked at some of the casino websites and found quite a few jobs posted.  Go ahead and look for yourself.  Most of the major casinos are now owned by the same companies that own major hotel and resort chains.  I had a friend who used to work in Vegas.  He said he liked working at the casinos better when the mob owned them.  The pay was better.  Is there some unspoken code where the accuser would have been blacklisted and not allowed to worked at any other casino?  Considering normal hospitality industry companies now run "most" of the casinos (don't know about her's), I guess the answer to that question would be the same as this one: if you have a falling out at a Hilton hotel and quit, and try to go work at the Marriot, are you likely to be blacklisted?  

    This whole topic about her not quitting because she wouldn't find another job is a big crock.  I'm in California where the unemployment rate isn't exactly low.  Folks are still quitting their jobs, and folks are still being hired.  I just left a large firm myself to start my own company.  I can't think of any employee that worked under me that would have stuck it out if I had done any of the actions she supposedly experienced.  Employees quit for far lesser reasons; even in this economy.  There are some people who have either a dream job, or a niche skill where there are not many jobs for.  Those people are apt to put up with a bunch of BS before they leave.  I doubt this is the case here.  

    Let's see where the facts lead us as the case progresses.  I'm completely amazed at how many folks are taking the court filing and using it as evidence of anything.  We may learn that she can prove almost everything in the filing documents, or we may learn she has been treated for psychological problems since she was a kid, or we may learn she has video of BR in the act, or we may learn she made the same accusations against two other men 6 years ago in some other state.  We all have our opinions, but none of us have any facts right now.
     
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    [QUOTE]I can't say much about the job situation in Nevada.  Just for the heck of it though, I looked at some of the casino websites and found quite a few jobs posted.  Go ahead and look for yourself.  Most of the major casinos are now owned by the same companies that own major hotel and resort chains.  I had a friend who used to work in Vegas.  He said he liked working at the casinos better when the mob owned them.  The pay was better.  Is there some unspoken code where the accuser would have been blacklisted and not allowed to worked at any other casino?  Considering normal hospitality industry companies now run "most" of the casinos (don't know about her's), I guess the answer to that question would be the same as this one: if you have a falling out at a Hilton hotel and quit, and try to go work at the Marriot, are you likely to be blacklisted?   This whole topic about her not quitting because she wouldn't find another job is a big crock.  I'm in California where the unemployment rate isn't exactly low.  Folks are still quitting their jobs, and folks are still being hired.  I just left a large firm myself to start my own company.  I can't think of any employee that worked under me that would have stuck it out if I had done any of the actions she supposedly experienced.  Employees quit for far lesser reasons; even in this economy.  There are some people who have either a dream job, or a niche skill where there are not many jobs for.  Those people are apt to put up with a bunch of BS before they leave.  I doubt this is the case here.   Let's see where the facts lead us as the case progresses.  I'm completely amazed at how many folks are taking the court filing and using it as evidence of anything.  We may learn that she can prove almost everything in the filing documents, or we may learn she has been treated for psychological problems since she was a kid, or we may learn she has video of BR in the act, or we may learn she made the same accusations against two other men 6 years ago in some other state.  We all have our opinions, but none of us have any facts right now.
    Posted by carawaydj[/QUOTE]

    All that really proves is that she isn't you.

    I am not sure how long she was an employee of the casino on question, but she was reportedly in and out of the hospital for mental health issues after the alleged incident. How long do you think she would last in a new job if she had to be out potentially for several weeks at a time? How much sick time did she have accumulated that she could use and would lose if she quit? What about the energy of just trying to find a new job? I know people who have been depressed who can't get out of bed. Good luck looking through the want ads let alone getting it together enough to interview. Maybe she was really well paid and needed that money for something. 

    The point is that judging her from your point of view doesn't demonstrate anything. The original poster who indicated that people criticizing her for not coming forward immediately were wrong and used those abused by priests as a great example. To extend that even further, how many of those abused continued to go to the same church while the priest was still there. According to you, they should have picked a new parish or refused to attend church.

     
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    [QUOTE]ITo extend that even further, how many of those abused continued to go to the same church while the priest was still there. According to you, they should have picked a new parish or refused to attend church.
    Posted by EnochRoot[/QUOTE]

    Let me see, if I were abused by a priest at a church, and the church did nothing, I would first go to the law.  And Yes, if the church did nothing I would indeed go to another church.  I think 99% of the populace is probably with me on that one.  I think I know what you are trying to get at, but that example probably isn't a very good one.  The key difference between the priest example in the original post and your example is that the original post talks about the fact many people do not even report the abuse.  Once they do report the abuse, I doubt they just sit by, watch nothing happen, and go happily to church every Sunday.

     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Casinos in Nevada : Let me see, if I were abused by a priest at a church, and the church did nothing, I would first go to the law.  And Yes, if the church did nothing I would indeed go to another church.  I think 99% of the populace is probably with me on that one.  I think I know what you are trying to get at, but that example probably isn't a very good one.  The key difference between the priest example in the original post and your example is that the original post talks about the fact many people do not even report the abuse.  Once they do report the abuse, I doubt they just sit by, watch nothing happen, and go happily to church every Sunday.
    Posted by carawaydj[/QUOTE]

    Really? I guess you are not adept at putting yourself in the another person's shoes. Just to remind you, those that were abused by the priests were little boys. They didn't report the abuse at the time, or if they did, their parents most likely didn't believe them. Either way, they did not change churches because the parents did not change churches. 

    That is the problem with restricting things to your viewpoint or with thinking that yours is the only viewpoint because everyone you hang around with thinks the same way. 

    No problem though. People do it all the time. I am a big guy and can lift a lot of weight yet everytime I go to pick up or move something heavy, she says I won't be able to do it, until I do. If it is a two person job, for some reason, I expect that she can handle her half when in fact, she can only handle about 1/3. We both project our own experiences on each other. She is not used to lifting heavy objects and thinks it difficult for everyone. I am used to it and sometimes don't understand why she might struggle. Apologies for the example used, but we were moving furniture this past weekend so it is fresh on my mind.

     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Casinos in Nevada : Really? I guess you are not adept at putting yourself in the another person's shoes. Just to remind you, those that were abused by the priests were little boys. They didn't report the abuse at the time, or if they did, their parents most likely didn't believe them. Either way, they did not change churches because the parents did not change churches.  That is the problem with restricting things to your viewpoint or with thinking that yours is the only viewpoint because everyone you hang around with thinks the same way.  No problem though. People do it all the time. I am a big guy and can lift a lot of weight yet everytime I go to pick up or move something heavy, she says I won't be able to do it, until I do. If it is a two person job, for some reason, I expect that she can handle her half when in fact, she can only handle about 1/3. We both project our own experiences on each other. She is not used to lifting heavy objects and thinks it difficult for everyone. I am used to it and sometimes don't understand why she might struggle. Apologies for the example used, but we were moving furniture this past weekend so it is fresh on my mind.
    Posted by EnochRoot[/QUOTE]

    I apologize.  I didn't realize BR's accuser was in fact, a little girl who told her parents and whose parents did not listen...

    You are absolutely correct about how we project our experiences on each other.  I cannot say for certain that the accuser is nothing but a liar.  Nor can I say BR is guilty.  What I can say is that if I look at everything through "my" life experiences, I smell something wrong with her accusations.  They could be spot on, but I suspect they are not.  I hope this is not settled out of court so we all know.  Others have chimed in on this topic (other threads) and clearly disagree with me.  A lot of folks feel as I do too.  The crux of my message all along has been that at this point, none of us know anything factual.  We can suspect all we want, but we don't know anything until the accusations are challenged in a trial; assuming we get that far.  Those who are ready to convict BR are as guilty of pre-judging as myself.

     
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    You know what?  I don't have the facts and I don't care. 

    I do know that the case was filed right at the beginning of training camp, not in the middle of the offseason.  The Rothlisburger has deep pockets and may very well settle to get the case over with, rather than catch flack all the way through the season.


     

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