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    Count me among those who was never comfortable that the game was going on the Pats side of the ledger when P Manning was under center for the Colts.  Don't know if we'll ever see him play again at his former level but before he was hurt he was one of the best passers this game has ever seen.  Were he healthy and playing now we'd be mentioning his name with Rodgers, Brees and Brady as  the game's best.

     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Colts fan on Sunday : I'm not sure I will be able to control myself after this game UD6.  You might want to stay clear from this place all next week.
    Posted by TFB12[/QUOTE]

    I'll be here. I find the whole experience as an exercise in personal growth.  I am discovering within me an amount of humility I never thought possible.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Colts fan on Sunday : I'll be here. I find the whole experience as an exercise in personal growth.  I am discovering within me an amount of humility I never thought possible.
    Posted by UD6[/QUOTE]

    Well, you don't really have an option at this point but to have humility.  Poor old P. Manning kind of screwed ya this year.

    One other thing.. do you remember there was someone on here who thought you and I were the same person.  It was over a year ago and the poster was someone named huggie bear.  Have you seen him around here or do you know what his new user name is?
     
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    Now that Manning is done let's just wait for Brady to finish his career and look at their stats.  By then we will be having this same arguement with some Green Bay fan about how AR is better than TB...Y A W N
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Colts fan on Sunday : Well, you don't really have an option at this point but to have humility.  Poor old P. Manning kind of screwed ya this year. One other thing.. do you remember there was someone on here who thought you and I were the same person.  It was over a year ago and the poster was someone named huggie bear.  Have you seen him around here or do you know what his new user name is?
    Posted by TFB12[/QUOTE]
    Exactly, and I am still alive.  

    As for Manning, I don't think he screwed us.  We're about as small a market as you can get and he brought us a SB with substantially more limitations than Brady ever had to experience.  

    Huggie bear was like 4 or 5 guys, I think.  He might be mybologna today.  Who knows.  He had no purpose other than to get under people's skin, and everyone was fair game to him.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Colts fan on Sunday : Exactly, and I am still alive.   As for Manning, I don't think he screwed us.  We're about as small a market as you can get and he brought us a SB with substantially more limitations than Brady ever had to experience.   Huggie bear was like 4 or 5 guys, I think.  He might be mybologna today.  Who knows.  He had no purpose other than to get under people's skin, and everyone was fair game to him.
    Posted by UD6[/QUOTE]


    Gawd!  What a tool.
    Mannings only substantial limitation is his predisposition for "Choking".
    That is all.
     
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    [QUOTE]I really don't understand some of these Pats fans.  I have been a loyal Pats fan since '67.  I can tell you this.  There is no opposing QB I feared more than Manning.  I didn't feel comfortable until about 5 minutes to go in a game and we were up by three scores and had the ball. Is/was he better than Brady?  Not in my book.  Brady is better.  However, BOTH of them should be unanimous, first round elections to the Hall of Fame.  So, why this crazy need by some of our fans to trash Manning?  It is childish, stupid, and just plain reflects badly upon those saying those things.
    Posted by sheldong[/QUOTE]

    Come on, your name is SHELDONG, you dont have the right to call ANYTHING childish.

     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Colts fan on Sunday : I think you might want to think about how many more SB victories your beloved colts would have had with Brady at the helm. I am figuring at least 2 as many as possibly 4. well we know at least one thing that pick against the Saints disqualifies Manning as the G O A T.  The greatest of all time would never throw a pick 6 in the most important drive of his career.
    Posted by jri37[/QUOTE]
    The words "suspect defense" have never been in Brady's vocabulary as it relates to his team.  The defense is way down from its dominant/historic days from 2001-2008, but have never been as bad as Manning's colts.  Brady's had to carry his team very little, and when he has, he's failed.  Look at his last 3 playoff games.
     
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    You are all laughing at this photo, thinking it is so funny, but I find it very, very sad.  Flies-on-dead-bunny-sad.  I mean, some poor guy had to actually don all that Colts gear.  Heck, somebody had to lay out good money for all that Colts gear!
      
    Sad.  So very, very sad.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Colts fan on Sunday : The words "suspect defense" have never been in Brady's vocabulary as it relates to his team.  The defense is way down from its dominant/historic days from 2001-2008, but have never been as bad as Manning's colts.  Brady's had to carry his team very little, and when he has, he's failed.  Look at his last 3 playoff games.
    Posted by UD6[/QUOTE]

    Picasso of choke!  AKA...what's "D" got to do with it?

    POSTSEASON PERFORMANCES

    Brady's superiority over Manning is built upon the stony, unyielding foundation of each player's postseason performances. Quite simply, Manning, as we have long noted, is the Picasso of Choke Artists. Brady, meanwhile, has already proven to be one of the great clutch players in postseason history, a truly transcendent performer who reserves his greatest games for the biggest moments. He has the Super Bowl rings, Super Bowl records and Super Bowl MVP awards to prove it.
    For all of Manning's brilliant regular-season fireworks in recent years, he has simply failed to live up to expectations in the postseason – every single year that he's been there. That's right. Every year. Don't believe us? Come, take a drive down Manning's postseason memory lane. But roll up the windows and lock the doors. It's an ugly neighborhood.
    1999 – In Manning's second year in the league he led the Colts to a 13-3 record and an AFC East title while averaging 26.4 PPG in the regular season. In Indy's first playoff game the Colts hosted wildcard-game winner Tennessee. The Indy defense played well, surrendering just 19 points to a solid offense that averaged 24.5 points per game. But Manning, at home in the dome, put just 16 points on the board, the team's third lowest output of the season, while completing just 19 of 43 passes for 227 yards and zero touchdowns. Manning's 60.9 passer rating was his lowest of the entire season. Result: Manning chokes. Colts lose, 19-16.
    2000 – The Colts went 10-6 behind Manning's 33 touchdown passes and an offense that averaged 26.8 PPG in the regular season. Indy went to Miami in the wildcard round and its defense played very well, intercepting Jay Fiedler three times and surrendering just 23 points in a game decided in overtime. But Manning struggled against the Dolphins and, in a game that lasted more than 70 minutes, was a non-factor. He completed barely 50 percent of his passes (17 for 32) for just 194 yards and a touchdown. The Colts generated 11 points off Fiedler's interceptions but put a total of just 17 on the board, 10 points fewer than their regular-season average. It was Indy's second lowest scoring output of the season. Result: Manning chokes. Colts lose, 23-17, in overtime.
    2002 – The Colts went 10-6 and drew a gimme in the wildcard round: a 9-7 Jets team with a paper-thin defense that surrendered 336 points that year (Indy boasted the better D, surrendering 313 points). Manning played the single worst statistical game of his entire career (14 for 31, 137 yards, 0 TDs, 2 INTs and a career-low 31.2 passer rating) and failed to put a single point on the board. Result: Manning chokes. Colts lose, 41-0.

    2003 – The Colts went 12-4 in the regular season and scored 27.9 PPG. Manning kept it going in Indy's first two playoff games and was spectacular leading 41-10 and 38-31 victories over Denver and Kansas City. But Manning, facing foul weather and a good defense, returned to his historic postseason form in the AFC title game against New England. Indy's D again played well under postseason pressure, stifling the Patriots in the red zone and forcing them to settle for five field goals. But Manning tossed four interceptions and posted the third lowest passer rating of his entire career (35.5). Result: Manning chokes. Colts lose, 24-14.
    2004 The Colts again went 12-4 in the regular season, this time scoring 522 points (32.6 PPG) and entering the playoffs a seemingly unstoppable offensive juggernaut with the fifth-highest scoring offense in NFL history. Manning, of course, set numerous regular season records. Most notably, he tossed 49 touchdown passes while shattering the single-season passer rating record, with a mark of 121.1. It all took a familiar turn for the worse in the playoffs. In a divisional game at New England, the Colts mustered just 3 points – their lowest offensive output since the 2002 playoff loss to the Jets. Once again, Manning played his very worst game of the season in the playoffs, completing 27 of 42 passes for 238 yards with 0 TDs and 1 INT and a passer rating of 69.3, his lowest of the year. Result: Manning chokes. Colts lose, 20-3.

    You'll notice a remarkable difference when you look at Brady's postseason performances. Let's take a stroll down a much more attractive memory lane. Roll down the windows and caress yourself in the fresh, breezy air of victory.
    2001 – In Brady's first playoff game, and just his 15th NFL start, he crafted one of the great postseason performances by a quarterback in NFL history. Facing a 13-3 fourth-quarter deficit and a blizzard of legendary proportions, Brady was virtually flawless in the fourth quarter and overtime, ran for one touchdown, led a game-tying drive near the end of regulation and went 8 for 8 on New England's game-winning overtime drive. In some of the most severe conditions in franchise history, Brady completed 32 of 52 passes for 312 yards (with one first-half interception). Did we mention the blizzard? Brady critics are quick to decry the controversial "tuck rule" that overturned a potential late-game fumble by Brady. The call certainly gave New England hope, but it was not a decisive one. The Patriots still needed two scores to win and Brady was virtually flawless when the game counted most. We submit this as the greatest postseason debut by a quarterback in NFL history. Result: Brady gets it done in crunch time. Patriots win, 16-13.
    Two weeks later, in just his 17th NFL start, Brady led the only walk-off scoring drive in Super Bowl history. After St. Louis forged a 17-17 tie, New England took over on its own 17 with 81 seconds to play and no timeouts. The football establishment expected New England's inexperienced QB to take a knee and play for overtime. Instead, Brady completed 5 of 8 passes (one incompletion was an intentional spike) to put New England in range for a decisive field goal. It was the first walk-off, game-winning scoring drive in an NFL championship game since Johnny Unitas led the Baltimore Colts to an overtime victory in 1958. Brady became the youngest quarterback to win a Super Bowl and was named the game's MVP. Result: Brady gets it done in crunch time. Patriots win, 20-17.
    2003 – Brady led the New England offense to 11 points in the final three minutes of Super Bowl XXXVIII – throwing one touchdown to linebacker Mike Vrabel – and lifting the Patriots to another Super Bowl title. New England trailed, 22-21, midway through the fourth quarter. With the NFL title on the line, Brady completed 10 of 13 passes for 103 yards on New England's final two drives. He ended the game passing for 354 yards and three scores and set a Super Bowl record with 32 completions. In just his fourth year in football, Brady became the youngest quarterback to win two Super Bowls and joined Hall of Famers Starr, Bradshaw and Montana as the only players in NFL history to win multiple Super Bowl MVP awards. Result: Brady gets it done in crunch time. Patriots win, 32-29.
    2004 In a game that should define Brady's career, the Patriots entered the AFC title game on the road in a hostile arena against a 16-1 Steelers team that boasted the No. 1 scoring defense and No. 1 total defense in all of football, on a frigid night in which the temperatures reached single digits. It was the second-coldest game in Pittsburgh history. Despite the obstacles, Brady calmly picked apart the league's top defensive unit, completing 14 of 21 passes for 207 yards, 2 TDs, 0 INTs and a passer rating of 130.5 – his highest of the season. The 41 points he helped engineer were the most scored against the Steelers since Week Two of the 2003 season. Later, we found out Brady was bed-ridden in his hotel room the night before the game, with a temperature of 103 and with IV needles stuck in his arm. Result: Brady gets it done in crunch time. Patriots win, 41-27.
    Brady picked up where he left off two weeks later in Super Bowl XXXIX. Facing a 15-3 Philly team that boasted the No. 2 scoring defense in football, Brady was again flawless and again reserved one of his best performances of the year for the season's biggest games and toughest opponents. He completed 23 of 33 passes for 236 yards, 2 TDs and 0 INTs and a 110.2 passer rating – the second highest rating allowed by the Eagles defense all season. Result: Brady gets it done in crunch time. Patriots win, 24-21.
    The chasm of Cold, Hard Football Facts separating each player's postseason performances could not be more dramatic. Manning has appeared in five NFL postseasons, compiled a 3-5 record despite leading one of the most prolific offenses in football each season, choked at least once each postseason and posted a cumulative passer rating of 55.4 in his five playoff losses (100 for 195, 1,033 yards, 2 TDs, 7 INTs). Four times in five seasons in which he's made the playoffs, Manning recorded his single worst statistical game of the year in the postseason (1999, 2002, 2003, 2004). Two of the three worst statistical games of his career (31.2 and 35.5 passer ratings) came in the playoffs.
    In five playoff losses during the Manning era, the Colts have scored just 10.0 PPG. It's got even worse in recent years. In the past three seasons, the Colts offense went down in a whimpering heap of postseason futility, scoring a woeful and inexcusable 5.7 PPG in its last three playoff losses – that's a net difference of negative 21.8 PPG when compared with Indy's scoring average over those same three regular seasons. Think the problem in Indy is a Swiss-cheese defense? Think again. In the playoffs, the problem is a pathetic offense and pathetic play at quarterback.
    Brady's postseason career includes a record nine postseason victories in nine postseason starts, and four game-tying or game-winning drives at the end of regulation or overtime. Half his postseason games were played in conditions hardly conducive to great quarterbacking: Two were played in snow, another in a blizzard; one was the coldest game in New England franchise history and another was the second-coldest game in Pittsburgh franchise history. He was nearly flawless in a series of postseason games in which a single mistake would have cost his team victory. He has thrown just three INTs in 304 postseason pass attempt – an NFL postseason record of just one INT every 101.3 pass attempts.
    Bottom line: Manning has been veritably woeful in the postseason. Brady has been virtually flawless.


     
     
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    Pezz, I respect your posts and opinions, but WOW!  Toooooo much info for me to even start.  

    My suggestion?  Ignore Underroos as I did long ago.  The guy will suck up all your free time, and then some, with arguments in which you two will never agree.  His name should not be "under dog"; it should be "over-dogmatic".
     
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    [QUOTE]Pezz, I respect your posts and opinions, but WOW!  Toooooo much info for me to even start.   My suggestion?  Ignore Underroos as I did long ago.  The guy will suck up all your free time, and then some, with arguments in which you two will never agree.  His name should not be "under dog"; it should be "over-dogmatic".
    Posted by chrisakawoody[/QUOTE]

    Sorry Woody!  Just read the last sentence.  :)
    You are right though.  Proving Doggggg a LIAR, apparently is futile. 
    In his world, Truth & Facts are irrelevant.
     
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    A liar? I was not aware that opinions could be considered lies, but Pezz the things that are YOUR realities don't surprise me at all. 
     
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    [QUOTE]A liar? I was not aware that opinions could be considered lies, but Pezz the things that are YOUR realities don't surprise me at all. 
    Posted by UD6[/QUOTE]
    "
    "Brady's had to carry his team very little, and when he has, he's failed."

    Is this your opinion or are you stating it as fact?   I don't remember seeing an IMO, but regardless it is untrue.
    My realities are stated in Black and White.
    How about yours?
    Any one who uses the Colts "D" as an excuse is a fool.  They got Manning to the Play-offs, kept them there, and it was Manning who failed, not the "D".  (Black & White).
    Your premise is fiction and contrary to the facts.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Colts fan on Sunday : " "Brady's had to carry his team very little, and when he has, he's failed." Is this your opinion or are you stating it as fact?   I don't remember seeing an IMO, but regardless it is untrue. My realities are stated in Black and White. How about yours? Any one who uses the Colts "D" as an excuse is a fool.  They got Manning to the Play-offs, kept them there, and it was Manning who failed, not the "D".  (Black & White). Your premise is fiction and contrary to the facts.
    Posted by pezz4pats[/QUOTE]
    Pezz - this will have to be my last response until tonight.  You are right, I didn't provide the "IMO", but I figured you were smart enough to differentiate between opinion and fact.  I'll certainly try to be more careful where you are concerned in the future. 

    Your opinions may be black and white, as are mine unless I state them otherwise.  My premise isn't fiction at all, its based on my opinion, and the facts I provide to support it.  I got no problem with you disagreeing with it, but its not fiction.   

    while I didn't read all of your epic post, I saw enough of it to know that it was colored with bias.  I don't condemn you for that since you are a fan, but I see it differently and have my opinions and necessary facts to support my position. 
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Colts fan on Sunday : Pezz - this will have to be my last response until tonight.  You are right, I didn't provide the "IMO", but I figured you were smart enough to differentiate between opinion and fact.  I'll certainly try to be more careful where you are concerned in the future.  Your opinions may be black and white, as are mine unless I state them otherwise.  My premise isn't fiction at all, its based on my opinion, and the facts I provide to support it.  I got no problem with you disagreeing with it, but its not fiction.    while I didn't read all of your epic post, I saw enough of it to know that it was colored with bias.  I don't condemn you for that since you are a fan, but I see it differently and have my opinions and necessary facts to support my position. 
    Posted by UD6[/QUOTE]


    No bias, just cold, hard, indisputable facts.
    If my post was too much for you, just consider the last SB appearances between the two.
    07, Brady, despite being on his backside for the majority of the game, put his team in the lead with a couple of minutes left.  The "D" failed to hold. (FACT)
    09,  Manning, instead of putting his team in the lead in the last couple of minutes with a chance to win, throws a pic 6. (FACT)
    This is the NORM for both QBs throughout their careers.
    IF opinions matters, consider this.
    If there were a Nationwide poll asking fans and pundits who would they would want as their QB in the Super Bowl (Any team USA), between Manning and Brady,  who do you think would win?
    Lets make it more interesting.   Add Brees, Rogers, and even Big Ben to that mix.  I'd be willing to bet that Manning would come in LAST based on his past performances and his reputation for choking.
       But, that's just MY opinion..
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Colts fan on Sunday : No bias, just cold, hard, indisputable facts. If my post was too much for you, just consider the last SB appearances between the two. 07, Brady, despite being on his backside for the majority of the game, put his team in the lead with a couple of minutes left.  The "D" failed to hold. (FACT) 09,  Manning, instead of putting his team in the lead in the last couple of minutes with a chance to win, throws a pic 6. (FACT) This is the NORM for both QBs throughout their careers. IF opinions matters, consider this. If there were a Nationwide poll asking fans and pundits who would they would want as their QB in the Super Bowl (Any team USA), between Manning and Brady,  who do you think would win? Lets make it more interesting.   Add Brees, Rogers, and even Big Ben to that mix.  I'd be willing to bet that Manning would come in LAST based on his past performances and his reputation for choking.    But, that's just MY opinion..
    Posted by pezz4pats[/QUOTE]

    Indisputable facts, eh?

    Brady on his backside? was Brady holding the ball too long?  Didn't brady famously state that the pats deserved more credit than that given by Plax who said the pats would score only 14 or 17 points?  Wasn't this the brady offense that outscored the league by a very large number?  Wasn't this the same team Brady hung 34 or something on just a few weeks before?  Great and he only gets his team 14 points?  the defense didn't hold?  The Giants only scored 17, right?  Surely that's enough for a team that likely averaged over 30 per game? 

    You see the spin you attempt to apply is that Brady's failures are the result of others while Manning's are his alone. Its a great tactic for those unable to see it. 
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Colts fan on Sunday : Indisputable facts, eh? Brady on his backside? was Brady holding the ball too long?  Didn't brady famously state that the pats deserved more credit than that given by Plax who said the pats would score only 14 or 17 points?  Wasn't this the brady offense that outscored the league by a very large number?  Wasn't this the same team Brady hung 34 or something on just a few weeks before?  Great and he only gets his team 14 points?  the defense didn't hold?  The Giants only scored 17, right?  Surely that's enough for a team that likely averaged over 30 per game?  You see the spin you attempt to apply is that Brady's failures are the result of others while Manning's are his alone. Its a great tactic for those unable to see it. 

    Not interested in the points scored or what Brady said prior to the game.  It was a hard fought defensive battle on both parts, but yes, the D failed in the end despite several chances to win it.
    The point is that Brady put his team in the lead and in position to win as he normally does.  Manning did not, as he usually does not.
    Which games did the Colts "D" loose for them in the last 35 seconds? 
    Can't think of any.  I only remember Manning failing.
    Brady=clutch  Manning=choke.  History is written. 
    You can't change that or dispute it.

     
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    Of course you are not concerned, because it doesn't help your argument. 

    You see in your epic post here are things you left out. 

    In 00 - Manning got the team into overtime and in position to win but the kicker missed the field goal to win, but where do you lay the blame?  Manning.  Did Viniateri ever miss a kick in the postseason for the pats that failed to win or tie the game when it mattered? 

    02 - Manning drove the team into FG range and Vanderjagt missed.  NY scored on its 1st and 2nd possession, then kicked off recovered a FG and scored again. 17-0 NYJ after the first possession in the 2nd Q.  Jets scored 24 points on 4 of 5 first half possessions and gained 251 yds.  Manning - no ints.  7/14, running offense 9 rushes, 14 yds.  first possession 2nd, Jets FG - 27-0.  Whatever Manning did after that, I've got no problem with because the colts d and special teams could not hold up.  Only a fool would blame Manning for this game. 

    03 - We all know what happened in the pats game.  The pats defenders got away with raping colts receivers with nary a call.  Pats fans wear this game like a badge of honor, but honest people know they got away penalties the entire game.  BTW - I don't fault the pats for that.  I congratulate them. 

    04 - colts managed 46 yds rushing on 15 attempts.  Lost 2 fumbles (1 in scoring range).  TOP - 38 pats/22 colts.  Colts d gave up 210 yds rushing, and 2 +15 play drives.  Manning's int on 2nd to last play of game with game out of hand.  Manning managed this game, put the team in scoring position but this was once again a case of the defense failing.  This was another example of the colts weak defense.  If Manning doesn't have a banner day, the colts D can't hold. 

    05 - Manning puts the team in position to tie the game and put it into overtime.  Vanderjagt misses the kick. 

    What your post clearly points out is that you hold Manning to higher expectations than anyone else while giving Brady all the credit in the world.  Perspective matters. Certainly Brady's great.  I'll never take that from him, but not as good as Manning.
     
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    [QUOTE]Of course you are not concerned, because it doesn't help your argument.  You see in your epic post here are things you left out.  In 00 - Manning got the team into overtime and in position to win but the kicker missed the field goal to win, but where do you lay the blame?  Manning.  Did Viniateri ever miss a kick in the postseason for the pats that failed to win or tie the game when it mattered?  02 - Manning drove the team into FG range and Vanderjagt missed.  NY scored on its 1st and 2nd possession, then kicked off recovered a FG and scored again. 17-0 NYJ after the first possession in the 2nd Q.  Jets scored 24 points on 4 of 5 first half possessions and gained 251 yds.  Manning - no ints.  7/14, running offense 9 rushes, 14 yds.  first possession 2nd, Jets FG - 27-0.  Whatever Manning did after that, I've got no problem with because the colts d and special teams could not hold up.  Only a fool would blame Manning for this game.  03 - We all know what happened in the pats game.  The pats defenders got away with raping colts receivers with nary a call.  Pats fans wear this game like a badge of honor, but honest people know they got away penalties the entire game.  BTW - I don't fault the pats for that.  I congratulate them.  04 - colts managed 46 yds rushing on 15 attempts.  Lost 2 fumbles (1 in scoring range).  TOP - 38 pats/22 colts.  Colts d gave up 210 yds rushing, and 2 +15 play drives.  Manning's int on 2nd to last play of game with game out of hand.  Manning managed this game, put the team in scoring position but this was once again a case of the defense failing.  This was another example of the colts weak defense.  If Manning doesn't have a banner day, the colts D can't hold.  05 - Manning puts the team in position to tie the game and put it into overtime.  Vanderjagt misses the kick.  What your post clearly points out is that you hold Manning to higher expectations than anyone else while giving Brady all the credit in the world.  Perspective matters. Certainly Brady's great.  I'll never take that from him, but not as good as Manning.
    Posted by UD6[/QUOTE]

    Ah yes, the kicker, special teams, the D, the fumbles. 
    No one saw that coming.!
    You want to know what's laughable?
    The fact that you have to defend Manning in sooooooooooo many games, only confirms the point.  This is the norm.
    If he didn't loose soooooooooooooo many games, there would be nothing to defend, now would there be?
    Fact:  Brady PO wins /> losses,  Manning PO wins < losses.
    Brady SB wins /> Manning SB win.
    Therefore; Brady /> Manning
    Can't change that, history is written!  All the excuses in the world don't matter.
     
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    Pezz - I haven't even started with my challenges of brady's game, which won't happen until possibly this evening, but I'll give you a hint.  the kicker and defense that Manning didn't have, Brady did. 

    Fact - NE PO wins (not just brady.  I would imagine that guys like Vinatieri, Bruschi, Vrabel, Seymour, McGinest, Law, Milloy, Samuel, Harrison, etc get kind of tired of seeing Brady getting all of the credit - you know these guys played in those wins as well.  In fact, they were even difference makers in those wins. 

    The only argument Brady supporters have (which is flawed) is playoff wins - which is a team achievements.  With Brady so spectacular, I wonder why he didn't earn more 1st team all pro honors?  those in the know, know why.  Brady had so much more support than Manning.

     
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    Re: Colts fan on Sunday

    It's pretty bad when Colts fans start turning on Manning.

     

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