Cowardly Colts' Organization Shows Its' True Colors

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    What the NFL needs is more Colts games that are decided by the players. 

    Fan message boards all over the league are filled with complaints about the phantom PI calls late in games that turn games in favor of the Colts and we all saw the bad spot. 

    Now once again we see the Colts Head Coach go in the tank to let an undeserving team into the playoffs. 

    The "fix" is a constant issue with this team. 


     
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    Its just a plain and simple stupid more......if the Colts look at their own history the only time they won the SB this era.....manning and the rest of the starters played in every game and never skipped a beat.....their now gonna get to the playoffs and be completely out of sync!!!!
     
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    Oh, so this is about pulling players during an undefeated run.  As noted by the colts org (which I don't agree with) that is not their perspective.  They believe by having healthier players they will be more prepared for the playoff run. 

    Is the cheating thing passe?  When people on this board are questioning the integrity of the colts decision and comparing it to spygate, then apparently its not passe. 

    And we have people like Bostate who want to claim that there is an actual conspiracy by the NFL to favor the colts.  What he doesn't get is that there are times when calls do and do not happen.  For example, in yesterday's pats game the Pats TE clearly committed OPI by pushing off a defender in the endzone to catch a touchdown, but here we have a guy like bostate claiming conspiracy favoring the colts.  Unfortunately, the refs in the colts game yesterday missed (or misinterpretted {know what I mean})that leaguewide memo, because they didn't call the 2 holds on the kick return and didn't call running into the kicker on the colts punt.  And for the record, I'm not complaining about those things.  The colts had calls go their way too, but they were not as big.  I just want to point them out. 

    ruggie - you may be right, and you are right about the history, and for that reason, and that reason alone (I could care less about the record) that is why I am upset about the colts decision.
     
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    The problem I have is not with resting starters its with the Colts laying down in a game that has playoff implications for 3 or 4 teams. Have the Pats ever lost deliberately to a team with playoff aspirations ? Not to my knowledge. The Colts have done it twice and allowed a team to back in to the playoffs by giving them the game. That's nice that Polian and Caldwell are feeling charitable, however, anything less than a Super Bowl victory will earn them some harsh criticism from fans.
     
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    John - as I said before, anything less than a superbowl is a disappointment, but resting players only has implications for the first game.  If they win that then the resting players question goes away.
     
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         Mike:

         "i don't remember belichick tanking games when an undefeated season was on the line.  when was that?  and that "cheating" thing, honestly, it's so passé. 

    by bringing that up, you're deflecting the argument away from the subject at hand anyway"

         Mike, of course, you're right. But thats' the best that a biased troll like Dogg can come up with. Deep down he, and all Indy fans, know that yesterday's tank job was shameful.
     
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    I think this is the smartest thing Caldwell could have done. I wish BB had done the same thing.  There is ALOT of pressure in completing a perfect season. Clearly, we could all see the effects it had on the Patriots down the stretch, in    '07. I really wish we had lost one of those games late in '07. If we had, I think we would have won the Super Bowl. In the grand scheme of things, a perfect season really doesn't mean a damned thing. It doesn't make you any better than any previous Super Bowl winner. To me, 4 Super Bowl wins in a decade, is ALOT more impressive than a perfect season, and I think our quest for perfection, cost us that. 
     
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    i can't speak for anyone else.  but to me, yes, this thread is about pulling players in an undefeated run.  i'm not criticizing the colts for resting players per se.  somehow comparing this to spygate is way off base.  i've never said that it compromises the integrity of the NFL.  the Colts' #1 (and only) priority is themselves.   just as the Pats' #1 priority is the Pats and the Chiefs' is the Chiefs and so on.  if a team, say the Steelers, needs to rely on other teams to win for them, that's their problem. 

    having said that, to rob their players and fans of the chance of going undefeated is nothing short of cowardice.  i'm not saying that resting players and esentially not caring if you lose a game when you have everything wrapped up is wrong if you already have a loss.  it doesn't violate any rules in the rulebook.  but to me, it's shameful when you have a chance at 19-0.  i'm obviously gald they lost, and they deserve it.  the Pats may not have ended up going 19-0 but i'm bloody proud they tried.
     
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    I am surprised none of the teams jockying for a playoff spot don't go to the commisioner with a grievance. What the Colts did yesterday flies in the face of the NFL bylaws which states all teams must try to win every one of their games.
     
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    jerh5, yes a superbowl is more important than anything.  but, to say an undefeated season is not important in the grand scheme of things is simply not true.  only one team has done it and everyone knows who it is, and it happened decades ago.  43-some teams have won the Super Bowl. 

    in hindsight, would i trade a regular season loss for a ring?  if it were that easy, of course.  but like i said in my last post, i'm proud of the fact that they gave 100% for a chance to be legends and came within 35 seconds of achieving it.  the Colts can't say they did that.  they backed out.

     
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         Dogg:

         Your last post was as follows:
     
         "Oh, so this is about pulling players during an undefeated run.

    RESPONSE: No, its' about a game of jacks...LOL!! 

    As noted by the colts org (which I don't agree with) that is not their perspective.  They believe by having healthier players they will be more prepared for the playoff run.

    RESPONSE: Why don't you agree with their perspective? 

    Is the cheating thing passe?  When people on this board are questioning the integrity of the colts decision and comparing it to spygate, then apparently its not passe.

    RESPONSE: You are the one trying to spin that.  
     
    And we have people like Bostate who want to claim that there is an actual conspiracy by the NFL to favor the colts.

    RESPONSE: Its' no secret that the Colts are the NFL's answer to the "showtime" LA Lakers. They get the benefit of too many bogus calls for it to be mere coincidence. Every non-Colts fan knows it...and we've even had a Colts' fans who recently started a thread here, admitting it. 

    What he doesn't get is that there are times when calls do and do not happen. 

    RESPONSE: Agreed. The bogus calls do not happen, except when the Indianapolis Colts are playing. 

    For example, in yesterday's pats game the Pats TE clearly committed OPI by pushing off a defender in the endzone to catch a touchdown, but here we have a guy like bostate claiming conspiracy favoring the colts.

    RESPONSE: LOL!! Desperation Dogg, pure and simple. 

    Unfortunately, the refs in the colts game yesterday missed (or misinterpretted {know what I mean})that leaguewide memo, because they didn't call the 2 holds on the kick return and didn't call running into the kicker on the colts punt.  And for the record, I'm not complaining about those things.  The colts had calls go their way too, but they were not as big.  I just want to point them out.

    RESPONSE: LOL!!! 
     
    ruggie - you may be right, and you are right about the history, and for that reason, and that reason alone (I could care less about the record) that is why I am upset about the colts decision.
     
    RESPONSE: Oh come now. Are you really trying to tell us that you didn't want to see your favorite team try to become a team for the ages by going unbeaten? Had the Colts been able to pull off the 19-0, they could have made a strong case to displace the Patriots as the "Team of the Decade", and for being one of the greatest teams of all-time. But, that didn't interest you?? LOL!!!  
     
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     cowards,or maybe smart?for now all they have to do is concentrate on the SB.
     
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    "And we have people like Bostate who want to claim that there is an actual conspiracy by the NFL to favor the colts." - udogg

    I didn't say that.  Try again.  I have noticed that you often misquote people or try to take the focus off the issue being discussed.

    I wouldn't have said a word if you hadn't attacked my team with your nonsense. I actually felt bad for Colt's fans but your post put me back on track.

    Today, most Pat's fans feel good about the NFL season.  Colt's fans......not so much.


    Hey, maybe the Colts have made the wildcard round a little easier for the Pats.  Thanks.

     
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         This from Mike Florio, on the Colts' cowardly act:

    As the season winds down, the story lines should shrink.  After all, there are plenty of teams already on the outside looking in, and plenty of teams already on the inside looking out.

    But, still, even with a clear difference between the league's "haves" and "have nots," the weekend of the 15th games of a 16-game season featured plenty of things to discuss.

    So here's the issue that we find most compelling, with links to the other nine eventually added below.

    1.  Colts blew it.

    They say that history always forgets the team that finished in second place.

    With 43 Super Bowls and counting in the books, history is starting to have a hard time keeping straight the teams that have won it all.

    Sure, some hard-core fans can recite the winners of every championship game since the Packers took down the Chiefs in the first Super Bowl, before the phrase Super Bowl had even been coined.  But for most it's hard to remember exactly who won the title in any given year, without resorting to Google.

    Perfection, however, is indelible.  No one will forget the '72 Dolphins.

    The Colts had a great chance to be the next team, 37 years later, to navigate an NFL season without a single loss, trumping Miami's 17-0 season by two games.

    And the Colts blew it.

    Coach Jim Caldwell will catch the brunt of the blame, even though he probably was merely doing what he had been told to do by team president Bill Polian.  Regardless, the fans are livid, and now if the Colts fail to win the Super Bowl, Caldwell's decision to take the foot off the gas with 1.5 regular-season games to go will be the focal point of the finger pointing.  

    Bob Kravitz of the Indianapolis Star, a publication that has been known to shake the blue and white pom-poms from time to time, appropriately let the team have it for conceding Sunday's game to the Jets:  "They treated [perfection] with a casual shrug of the shoulders, disdain even, as if they were beyond such a trivial pursuit.  Standing on the precipice of NFL history, the Indianapolis Colts' brain trust arrogantly, foolishly, treated Sunday's second half like a preseason game."

    Our friends at NBC were split on the topic of whether the Colts should have continued to push for 16-0.  Said Cris Collinsworth during Football Night in America:  "I would have been out of my mind to have an opportunity to have the best record in the history of the National Football League and I was not allowed the opportunity to go for that.  Peyton Manning has every right to be upset. . . .  Peyton Manning is a football historian.  He has to be absolutely crazy right now."

    Former Colts coach Tony Dungy disagreed. "You have an obligation to win the Super Bowl, not to go undefeated," Dungy said.

    We agree that, within the confines of a given season, the goal is to win the Super Bowl.  But the Colts are in the mix for a championship every season, and they will be until Manning retires.  Rarely does the opportunity arise to do something truly historic; when it does, we think the opportunity should be embraced, even if doing so adds nothing to the pursuit of a Super Bowl title.

    And that leads to a question no one has satisfactorily answered:  How does pulling Peyton Manning in the second half of Sunday's game help the team get ready to win the Super Bowl?  Surely, Caldwell didn't fear that the quarterback who never gets hurt would blow out a knee in the time that remained against the Jets.  So did Caldwell think that Curtis Painter would get enough reps to be ready if/when the quarterback who never gets hurt gets hurt in a playoff game?  Is Painter now that much better prepared to lead the team to victory over the Patriots or the Chargers if Peyton goes down?

    While most of the players are saying all the right things (since the last thing they need is Ed Werder camped out at the facility all week talking about schisms and such), the body language and demeanor of Manning and many of his teammates, who had to watch helplessly as the team pissed away a chance for something far more special than the once-a-year crowning of a champion, was undeniable. 

    They're not happy.

    And not all of them are saying all the right things.

    "Who wouldn't [want to pursue perfection]?" Reggie Wayne said, per Kravitz.  "I mean . . . who wouldn't?  Doesn't everybody want to be a part of history?  Not a season goes by that you don't hear about the '72 Dolphins."

    Even when Wayne tried to be diplomatic and deferential, his frustration came through.

    "I guess there's a bigger picture.  We all wanted to play, but the big dog made a decision and we have to roll with that decision.  We came out after halftime and felt like we were starting to roll and could score some points, but the manager took us off the mound."

    Peyton Manning's exercise of extreme restraint reminded us of T.O.'s declaration from earlier in the year that "I just run the plays that are called."

    "We are followers of our head coach and the people in the organization to lead us and give us direction," Manning said, per Kravitz.  "That's the way we've always done around here.  Our job is to take instructions from our superiors and follow those instructions."

    In other words, Peyton wanted to keep playing, but they wouldn't let him.  And he's got no choice but to agree with that, even if he doesn't like it.

    Caldwell's job in his first season with the Colts was simple -- stay out of the way and let Manning do his thing.  Caldwell made the mistake on Sunday of disrupting that process.  Even if the directive came from Polian, Caldwell is the one who'll have to find a way to keep Manning and the rest of the team behind him for the balance of the 2009 season and beyond.

    Some thought that carrying a perfect record into the playoffs would put too much pressure on the Colts to win it all.  As it turns out, Caldwell has placed even more pressure on himself to be certain that the plan calling for the Colts to lay down while leading in the game that would have pushed them to 15-0 culminates in a Super Bowl win.

    Even then, we think plenty of players and fans will have a hard time getting beyond Caldwell's decision to take a course that cuts against the grain of a group of men who are programmed to give everything they have to win every game they can.

    No. 2:  Bengals face a dilemma.

    No. 3:  Bye-week bingo in the NFC.

    No. 4:  Haynesworth must go.

     
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    The sad sad sad truth is that the Colts could have esily won that game without putting too much effor into it. Even if Manning threw the ball away and slid on his behind to avoid any sack they would have won that game. Thats how bad the Jets are.

    They Colts arent even good at faking effort.
     
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         Heres' Bob Kravitz of the Indy Star, on the Colts' cowardly act:  http://www.indystar.com/article/20091228/SPORTS15/912280357/1004/SPORTS/Kravitz-By-pulling-Manning-Colts-forsake-chance-at-perfection

         Be sure to browse through the comments to the article. It will give you an indication of how the great majority of Colts' fans feel about the organizations' decision to punt the undefeated season...rather than Underdogg's sanitized explanation...LOL!!!
     
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    Belichick had the stones to play his regulars til the final whistle blew during the '07 regular season.  He could've easily rested an already banged-up Brady along with a bunch of others an extra week and go the cautious route knowing he had the home field locked up and a first round bye.  

    He didn't.  Caldwell did.  Say all you want about Belichick, that showed guts and integrity.  Caldwell is nothing but a puppet coach, and much like Dungy, the apple apparently hasn't fallen too far from the tree. 

     
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    Well said Tex, absolutely insane decision.
     
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    The Jets gained 200 yards on the ground, which is nice.

    The sequence of yesterdays events was meaningless, although quite entertaining. That shot of Reggie Wayne on the pine was priceless.
    Do you think you'll see inept pass coverage in the postseason, like yesterday vs. the Jags?
     
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    Tex - don't get me wrong.  I am not happy with the decision.  I am not happy for plenty of reasons, but I will defend the decision against comments like - the colts are cowards (that's bs).  the colts threw the game (that's bs).  the colts have no integrity (that's bs). 

    But defending those things does not mean that I am not upset by the decision.
     
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    here are some more statements.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=chadiha_jeffri&id=4774697
     
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    jbolt - the jets gained only 54 in the first half.  They got 84 in the 4th.  Not bad against the #1 rushing offense in the NFL considering that the colts did not even play 5 defensive regulars/starters - Bullitt, Powers, Session, Dawson, Mathis. 

    I wouldn't use that game to hang your superiority hat on.
     
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    Underdogg, if I were you I wouldnt even try and get involved in defending your team on this website. It will be 24/7 for the next week and probably cost you a few hairs without changing a single persons mind. Why put yourself through the hassle?
     
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    HEART..... the Colts players and Colts coaching staff and upper management do not have it and it reflects down to their fan base as well.
     
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    No Heart really?  Fine.  We'll just call it machine like efficiency, at least that's what the 2nd half of the colts pats game was.  cold calculated destruction of your little engine that could.
     

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