Defense Does Win Championships

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    Defense Does Win Championships

    We have heard that saying that offense wins games, defense wins championships and it was never more evident than in Super Bowl XLVIII was the #1 scoring defense in the Seahawks just put it on the #1 scoring offense in the Broncos. As the stat has shown, in the 5 (including this Super Bowl) Super Bowl's in which the #1 scoring offense faced the #1 scoring defense, the #1 scoring defense has won 4 of the 5 matchups as the only time the offense won was Super Bowl XXIV which involved the Broncos getting blown out 55-10 by the 49ers. No matter how much success Tom & the offense has its going to come down to that defense because if Tom and the offense has a bad game like this AFC Championship game in Denver, we see the results. Look at the defenses in the AFC West such as the Seahawks and 49ers, the Patriots are nothing close to those two defenses. At some point, this defense has to start playing like those defenses in the NFC West or its going to be the same result all over again.

     
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    ^^ Bustchise

     
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    2007 and 2011 Patriots Defense lost Championships, that's for sure!!  They allowed 80+ yard Super Bowl losing drives in less then 4 minutes to go in 1 Super Bowl and 3 minutes to go in another.  They choked!

     
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    We've all been saying it since Seymour and Harrison left, they need a body that can generate pressure from the middle of the DL and a SS who can cover TE's and put the fear into receivers running crossing routes in the box (not injure or head hunter just hit them hard). Hopefully this year will be the year they invest in younger, durable kids with talent in both positions as many have been asking for since 08'.

     
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    We have heard that saying that offense wins games, defense wins championships and it was never more evident than in Super Bowl XLVIII was the #1 scoring defense in the Seahawks just put it on the #1 scoring offense in the Broncos. As the stat has shown, in the 5 (including this Super Bowl) Super Bowl's in which the #1 scoring offense faced the #1 scoring defense, the #1 scoring defense has won 4 of the 5 matchups as the only time the offense won was Super Bowl XXIV which involved the Broncos getting blown out 55-10 by the 49ers. No matter how much success Tom & the offense has its going to come down to that defense because if Tom and the offense has a bad game like this AFC Championship game in Denver, we see the results. Look at the defenses in the AFC West such as the Seahawks and 49ers, the Patriots are nothing close to those two defenses. At some point, this defense has to start playing like those defenses in the NFC West or its going to be the same result all over again.

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    So in other words...the offense has a bad game so it's the defense's fault because they did not hold the league's highest scoring offense to more than 8 points under their average.

    Yeah that makes a ton of sense

     
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    These mega-offenses are a bit deceiving because they feast on poor defenses in the regular season and run up numbers. When faced with tough defenses in the playoffs they aren't apt to score nearly as much.

    As I have consistently said - Elite QB + Tough D = High probability of winning the SB.

     
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    This is a sore topic on this forum.  Pats currently do not have a defense that "can" win championships, let alone hold onto a lead in a championship game.  To everyone's chagrin!

     
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    This is a sore topic on this forum.  Pats currently do not have a defense that "can" win championships, let alone hold onto a lead in a championship game.  To everyone's chagrin!

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    They clearly did before all the injuries.  Arguably the best D in the AFC at the start of the year.

    'Twas a beautiful sight until it came crashing down.

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    The key is :  Is the defense there in a championship game?  Being great in the early part of the year doesn't help.

     
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    Mega Offenses are not new to the NFL, its just times and rules change. You can go to AFL where they were putting up some huge numbers, then got beat up when they hit a Defense like the Packers.
    Jets SB win, was because they stopped a high Power Offense of the Colts. Namath had a good game not MVP game. Snell should have won it, along with their Defense.
    Defense always wins Champioships. Look at every sport its that way.

     
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    While the defense certainly has not played well enough to win a championship, the offense has scored 15.5 points per game in it's last 6 playoff losses. Would that have been good enough to win any of the last 20 or 30 Super Bowls? 

    No.

    Actually you have to go back to 1973 to find a game where 15.5 points would have been enough to win a Super Bowl. So, while we are pointing fingers, let's point one at the entire teams disappointing play on the biggest stage. 

     

    http://espn.go.com/nfl/superbowl/history/winners

     

    Super Bowl Winners and Results NO. DATE SITE RESULT I Jan. 15, 1967 Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum Green Bay 35, Kansas City 10 II Jan. 14, 1968 Orange Bowl (Miami) Green Bay 33, Oakland 14 III Jan. 12, 1969 Orange Bowl (Miami) New York Jets 16, Baltimore 7 IV Jan. 11, 1970 Tulane Stadium (New Orleans) Kansas City 23, Minnesota 7 V Jan. 17, 1971 Orange Bowl (Miami) Baltimore 16, Dallas 13 VI Jan. 16, 1972 Tulane Stadium (New Orleans) Dallas 24, Miami 3 VII Jan. 14, 1973 Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum Miami 14, Washington 7 VIII Jan. 13, 1974 Rice Stadium (Houston) Miami 24, Minnesota 7 IX Jan. 12, 1975 Tulane Stadium (New Orleans) Pittsburgh 16, Minnesota 6 X Jan. 18, 1976 Orange Bowl (Miami) Pittsburgh 21, Dallas 17 XI Jan. 9, 1977 Rose Bowl (Pasadena, Calif.) Oakland 32, Minnesota 14 XII Jan. 15, 1978 Superdome (New Orleans) Dallas 27, Denver 10 XIII Jan. 21, 1979 Orange Bowl (Miami) Pittsburgh 35, Dallas 31 XIV Jan. 20, 1980 Rose Bowl (Pasadena, Calif.) Pittsburgh 31, Los Angeles 19 XV Jan. 25, 1981 Superdome (New Orleans) Oakland 27, Philadelphia 10 XVI Jan. 24, 1982 Silverdome (Pontiac, Mich.) San Francisco 26, Cincinnati 21 XVII Jan. 30, 1983 Rose Bowl (Pasadena, Calif.) Washington 27, Miami 17 XVIII Jan. 22, 1984 Tampa (Fla.) Stadium Los Angeles 38, Washington 9 XIX Jan. 20, 1985 Stanford (Calif.) Stadium San Francisco 38, Miami 16 XX Jan. 26, 1986 Superdome (New Orleans) Chicago 46, New England 10 XXI Jan. 25, 1987 Rose Bowl (Pasadena, Calif.) New York Giants 39, Denver 20 XXII Jan. 31, 1988 Jack Murphy Stadium (San Diego) Washington 42, Denver 10 XXIII Jan. 22, 1989 Joe Robbie Stadium (Miami) San Francisco 20, Cincinnati 16 XXIV Jan. 28, 1990 Superdome (New Orleans) San Francisco 55, Denver 10 XXV Jan. 27, 1991 Tampa (Fla.) Stadium New York Giants 20, Buffalo 19 XXVI Jan. 26, 1992 Metrodome (Minneapolis) Washington 37, Buffalo 24 XXVII Jan. 31, 1993 Rose Bowl (Pasadena, Calif.) Dallas 52, Buffalo 17 XXVIII Jan. 30, 1994 Georgia Dome (Atlanta) Dallas 30, Buffalo 13 XXIX Jan. 29, 1995 Joe Robbie Stadium (Miami) San Francisco 49, San Diego 26 XXX Jan. 28, 1996 Sun Devil Stadium (Tempe, Ariz.) Dallas 27, Pittsburgh 17 XXXI Jan. 26, 1997 Superdome (New Orleans) Green Bay 35, New England 21 XXXII Jan. 25, 1998 Qualcomm Stadium (San Diego) Denver 31, Green Bay 24 XXXIII Jan. 31, 1999 Pro Player Stadium (Miami) Denver 34, Atlanta 19 XXXIV Jan. 30, 2000 Georgia Dome (Atlanta) St. Louis 23, Tennessee 16 XXXV Jan. 28, 2001 Raymond James Stadium (Tampa, Fla.) Baltimore 34, New York Giants 7 XXXVI Feb. 3, 2002 Superdome (New Orleans) New England 20, St. Louis 17 XXXVII Jan. 26, 2003 Qualcomm Stadium (San Diego) Tampa Bay 48, Oakland 21 XXXVIII Feb. 1, 2004 Reliant Stadium (Houston) New England 32, Carolina 29 XXXIX Feb. 6, 2005 Alltel Stadium (Jacksonville, Fla.) New England 24, Philadelphia 21 XL Feb. 5, 2006 Ford Field (Detroit) Pittsburgh 21, Seattle 10 XLI Feb. 4, 2007 Dolphin Stadium (Miami) Indianapolis 29, Chicago 17 XLII Feb. 3, 2008 University of Phoenix Stadium (Glendale, Ariz.) New York Giants 17, New England 14 XLIII Feb. 1, 2009 Raymond James Stadium (Tampa, Fla.) Pittsburgh Steelers 27, Arizona Cardinals 23 XLIV Feb. 7, 2010 Sun Life Stadium (Miami) New Orleans Saints 31, Indianapolis Colts 17 XLV Feb. 6, 2011 Cowboys Stadium (Arlington, Texas) Green Bay Packers 31, Pittsburgh Steelers 25 XLVI Feb. 5, 2012 Lucas Oil Stadium (Indianapolis) New York Giants 21, New England Patriots 17 XLVII Feb. 3, 2013 Mercedes-Benz Superdome (New Orleans) Baltimore Ravens 34, San Francisco 49ers 31 XLVIII Feb. 2, 2014 MetLife Stadium (East Rutherford, N.J.) Seattle Seahawks 43, Denver Broncos 8

     
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    This is a sore topic on this forum.  Pats currently do not have a defense that "can" win championships, let alone hold onto a lead in a championship game.  To everyone's chagrin!

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    Where does the buck stop with that?

     
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    This is a sore topic on this forum.  Pats currently do not have a defense that "can" win championships, let alone hold onto a lead in a championship game.  To everyone's chagrin!




    Where does the buck stop with that?

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    Maybe we should fire the head coach who made his stake as a "Defensive Coordinator" and still coaches the defense...is that what you are saying?

     

     

     

     
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    So in other words...the offense has a bad game so it's the defense's fault because they did not hold the league's highest scoring offense to more than 8 points under their average.

    Yeah that makes a ton of sense

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    Did you not just see the best offense get held to 8 points in the Super Bowl, lol!   If not mistaken those 8 points came in the 3rd qtr when the game was already over.  It was garbage points!

    In 2011, did you not see Brady drive 90+ yards in the 2nd qtr, at one time going 16 for 16 in pass completions?  Then Brady scored in the 3rd qtr.  Going into the final 3 minutes and 46 seconds the Patriots had the lead!!  The defense allowed a 88 yard drive in 2 minutes and 49 seconds to lose the Super Bowl!!

     
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    So in other words...the offense has a bad game so it's the defense's fault because they did not hold the league's highest scoring offense to more than 8 points under their average.

    Yeah that makes a ton of sense

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    Did you not just see the best offense get held to 8 points in the Super Bowl, lol!   If not mistaken those 8 points came in the 3rd qtr when the game was already over.  It was garbage points!

    In 2011, did you not see Brady drive 90+ yards in the 2nd qtr, at one time going 16 for 16 in pass completions?  Then Brady scored in the 3rd qtr.  Going into the final 3 minutes and 46 seconds the Patriots had the lead!!  The defense allowed a 88 yard drive in 2 minutes and 49 seconds to lose the Super Bowl!!

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    TFB...  Regardless of what happened in SB48, the expectation is the "best" offense in the land SHOULD score points against ANY defense.  When it doesn't, the offense is considered to have failed and the defense is given "some" credit.  That is Rusty's position, Brady failed, while claiming the Pats defense did everything it could to win those two SBs.  While it is Babe's position it is all BBs fault.

     
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    Rusty...  I have said this before..  the Patriots' D did start to look real good until the injury bug hit.  We can all just imagine how it would have performed if the middle of the D line and LB corps did not all go down just about the same time.  As a matter of fact, many here did think BB had the start of putting together a top flight D for their next SB run.  2014 could be interesting.

     
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    TFB...  Regardless of what happened in SB48, the expectation is the "best" offense in the land SHOULD score points against ANY defense.  When it doesn't, the offense is considered to have failed and the defense is given "some" credit.  That is Rusty's position, Brady failed, while claiming the Pats defense did everything it could to win those two SBs.  While it is Babe's position it is all BBs fault.

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    ags - we all know where each stands but doesn't it also stand that given the lead with less than 4mins in the game it's the D's job to hold for 1 series to win it? In the SB both sides failed, but the OP's point is that in the end better D's win championships over better O's and if the Pats D held for a single series wouldn't it be true that we would be saying the Pats D is what made the stand and gave them the ring? 

     
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    Rusty... let's accept it for what it is...  the team didn't get the job done.  Fingerpointing doesn't help at all.

     
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    This is a sore topic on this forum.  Pats currently do not have a defense that "can" win championships, let alone hold onto a lead in a championship game.  To everyone's chagrin!

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    They clearly did before all the injuries.  Arguably the best D in the AFC at the start of the year.

    'Twas a beautiful sight until it came crashing down.

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    You mean weeks 1-4 when we played The Bucs, Falcons, Bills and Jets....??

    LMAO!

     
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