Re: DeSean Jackson?
posted at 2/23/2012 11:44 AM EST
In Response to Re: DeSean Jackson?
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: DeSean Jackson? : I was saying since the 2005 SB not the team after. Dante Stallworth and Kelly were nothing great. Dante was Galloway fast for sure and dissapeared in games just as fast. Anyone could have had Randy Moss in 2007 but most teams thought he was already over the hill and a whiner so didn't try. Wes Welker wasn't worth anything before Brady so he wasn't an impact stud they brought in with huge expectations. Just like you said BB tried to patch the problem with fading JAGs and after going to the SB this year with that philosophy he's not going to change. Reggie Wayne is still in his prime too much but Marvin Harrison is probably a guy BB loved and will look at. I could be wrong and he'll bring in a guy like Wallace but he's had lots of chances to do that in the past and didn't. Honestly if Wallace does come here than he's either hurt, lost some steps, bad route runner, something.. I think its far more likely that BB will trade down in the draft with one first rounder for a 2nd and 3rd and then trade the other 1st rounder for a third this year and a first next year. With those picks he will get some O and D linemen. After the FA feeding frenzy is over he'll go after whatever the best WR left is. Remember, they're going to re-sign Welker and between Brady, Wilfork and Welker they'll have tied up a 1/3 of the team's cap. Also, there are a lot of really old FAs available this year who played their last decent games last year for contracts a la Willie Mac in 2006. Why do I think this way? Because until this team doesn't reach the playoffs nothing will change. This year's team would have been one of the weakest ever to win a SB and definately the worst defensively ever. But they did reach the SB so if you're BB you're thinking I'm the smartest guy in the world and I'm not changing anything. This was a lucky team that got to play a lot of second string QBs this year and teams in slumps. If they continue business as usual I don't think they'll have the same success this year because they over-achieved. BBs early success with this team was as much about the high draft pick players he inherited as much as it was about his ability to find value. Now there's no high draft pick players anymore and value doesn't work by itself. And can someone stop Brady from throwing picks in the playoffs? He single-handedly kills this team every year now with his obligatory long bomb INTs.
Posted by TheFantasyBaron[/QUOTE]
I completely disagree. After the 2006 season in which the Pats were robbed by the refs in Indy in the AFC title game, BB shook things up, and brought in Welker, Moss, Stallworth and Kelly Washington. He did this because the Pats had a major weakness at WR. The same is true this year.
You make it sound like Welker was some stiff that the Pats took a flyer on. They gave up a 2nd round pick for him, because they saw his potential...and, they were right. BB really values second rounders...so that was a big move for him. Most were excited over the Moss acquisition, and it certainly paid dividends. But, Randy was 31 when the Pats got him, not 33 going on 34 in November, as a Reggie Wayne will be.
Stallworth was another guy with speed who could stretch the field...and was signed to a one year deal. Kelly Washington was a 3rd round pick by the Cincinnati Bengals in 2003. But, injury problems limited him, and he never developed as a WR. But, he was a very good performer on special teams for the Patriots.
That's a bunch of moves...all in one year...to address a weakness. He'll do something this year, because the weakness has been a main contributor in failing to win championships over the past two years. The Pats must find a player who will force defenses out of the 8 in the box mode against the Pats...and play them honestly. Mike Wallace could be that guy.
Why do you think that Wallace is damaged goods? The Steelers are currently falling all over themselves, trying to scrape up enough cap space to keep him. They realize how valuable he is to them. It's not just his stats...it's the threat that he poses on every play. It forces defenses to play honest, by playing their safeties deep. When this happens, it makes it easier to run the ball, and frees up space for others on short and intermediate routes.
I don't see BB trying to remedy the WR through the draft. He's failed miserably whenever he has tried...other than in 2007. Here's a summary:
1.) 2003-Bethel Johnson: 45th overall pick was a very good kick-off returner for a couple of years, but failed as a receiver;
2.) 2004-P.K. Sam: 164th overall pick never made it;
3.) 2006-Chad Jackson: 36th overall pick that BB obtained through a rare trade-up (sent the 52nd and 75th overall picks to GB for the 36th choice). BUST;
4.) *2007-traded 2nd, 4th, and 7th rounders for veterans Wes Welker and Randy Moss;
5.) 2009-Brandon Tate was taken at #83 overall, over Mike Wallace, who was taken one pick thereafter. Julian Edelman was taken at #232 overall;
6.) 2010- The forgettable Taylor Price was taken with the 90th overall pick.
So, as you can see, the only success that BB has had in strengthening the WR position through the draft, since 2003, has been by acquiring veterans with draft picks. Hard to believe that the Pats have had so little success in this area. The Chad Jackson miss in 2006 really hurt.