Re: Did anyone watch the Jay Glazer interview with Richie Incognito?
posted at 11/10/2013 8:58 PM EST
In response to Muzwell's comment:
In response to CatfishHunter's comment:
My thoughts ...
1) Incognito is not a nice person. When he cleans up and has time to prep for an interview he can present his case in a somewhat reasonable way. I don't think the voicemail was a "joke" as he claimed.
2) I don't think Martin left because of "bullying". I think he is insecure and saw his starting job slipping away.
3) I think Martin's parents got involved once he left the team. Are his parents both lawyers? Anyway, as Martin was probably recounting why he left, my guess is that the last thing he'd do is tell his parents he had self-doubt. In the course of the discussion he probably mentioned some of the other stuff that went on in the lockerroom. My guess is his parents thought ... hmm, he's never going back to football, but maybe there's some money to be made here. Call me cynical.
My thoughts? Follow the money.
I think you (and most of the country) are being naive. Martin decided a long time ago he wanted out of football and every last thing he did from that point forward was designed to make him look like a victim and to set up a damages claim and his exit from the NFL. His parents (and who knows who else they consulted with, probably a Florida law firm) scripted the whole thing.
Incognito, the coaching staff, the other players all acted predictably, and the Martin team just manipulated the whole thing. Why else do you keep a voice mail that's nearly a year old and only now bring it up as a source of your anxiety and fear, after you've played it for teammates and laughed about it?
Why bring up the Vegas trip that was 6 months ago and try and make it seem as if all this extortion stuff is ongoing? Why cite the time in the cafeteria when everybody got up, when you have participated in the same ritual many times at the expense of others and laughed about it?
It's just using the legal system to get out of working for a living. This stuff goes on every day. It's a variation on the supermarket slip and fall. It's someone who knows a lawyer who told them what to do. That's the core of this story. It has nothing to do with the NFL's "culture" and everything to do with money.
Incognito is a doofus, but in the end he's a sort of useful idiot. The story would have played out another way if he wasn't around.
I think we agree more than we differ. But I don't think he came to the idea of the legal angle on his own. I think insecurity made him leave. Then, with aid of counsel (parents, etc) he started the legal ball rolling.
The instances you cite of his laughing, participating in similar behavior, etc. would not support his claim if he had this mindset from the get-go. He's not that dumb of a guy. If you want the claim to have substance it does not support your position if you undermine your case at every turn. I think he saved the voicemail because it reinforced his own insecurity. But now it is being used for a different purpose.
EDIT: And if you were correct and he was planning his case for a long time ... suppose he suffered a career-ending injury in the meantime? If he subsequently filed a "harrassment " claim that would look very suspicious.