Does Collins remind you of anyone...

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    Does Collins remind you of anyone...

    He reminds me of Rosevelt "Rosy" Colvin. Colvin and Collins have a similar physically, 6-3 250, and were both LB. It would be great to have a player of that pedigree again.

     

    Any thoughts?

     
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    Re: Does Collins remind you of anyone...

    In response to BassFishingII's comment:

    Pats wise or in the NFL in general?




    Both... I was really thinking from solely from the Patriots point of view but if you know something more then please fill me in. I just remember that Colvin was a versatile, productive, and smart player. Seems like along those lines Collins fits the bill.

     

    A lot of people think that the Patriots are going to now run the 3-,now that they have a stud group of LB, but I think that they may make it look like they are running the 3-4 but actually may run the 4-3 in a camouflaged 3-4. Scheme wise it will be similar to 4-3 sets but when you look at the set up on the field it looks like a 3-4.

     

     
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    its kind of impossible to tell until we see him play, right? however it wounds like he has a different skill set than anyone we've had here in recent memory. i actually feel that way about hightower too (although you could argue that physically he's similar to AD). i'm really curious to see what he can do in his second year. I have a feeling he's going to open a lot of eyes this season.

     
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    Colvin was a so-so player with the Patriots. After the hip injury (?) he was never the same. Let's hope that Collins is better than Colvin

     
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    I think the S conversation is a thing of the very past. This guy is going to be a rush OLB/DE.

    Physically he reminds me of Von Miller. Very fast off the edge, very athletic. Miller of course has a wide array of "rush moves", that on the limited highlites I have seen from Collins he needs to develop some moves. I saw a player simply beating the opposition on athleticism.

    Could he be Von Miller? Doubtful. But that is the ceiling IMO. It will be interesting how Collins plays out as opposed to Jordan, Mingo and Jones  

     
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    Speaking strictly from the Pat's perspective he reminds me of Willie Mac...

    Watching some of his clips he seems like the type of player with the skill set that BB might try and utilize him in elephant role if he could put on 10 more pounds and is able to set an edge.




    I sure hope in the future we say he reminds me of Willie McGinest that would be a very good thing. 

     
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    The only point I'll make is the observation that BB ,with Collins, continues to draft players that demonstrate that they have positional versatility (nothing new here see  Cannon as OG or OT or Hernandez as TE or WR). Collins could be a coverage LB or a rush LB. I think more and more teams will look for players that fit schematically with their pass D; it's a passing league you need pass rushers and LBs and Safeties who do more than just rack up tackles inside the box. Collins has both experience as 4-3 DE rusher and coverage LB/SS. An adjunct to improving the pass D is that we are seeing more teams taking shots at improving the pass D by draftng DBs higher than usual. An example would be the Niners drafting Eric Reid (a player with a 2nd round grade that went fairly early in 1st due to loss of Goldson). 29 CBs and 23 safeties were taken in the 2013 draft. Only the DE position had more players than CBs drafted and safeties were tied with RBs at 23. This includes 7 DBs taken in the 1st round. The search for the elusive shutdown corner continues with Milliner, Trufant, and Rhodes IMHO.

     
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    Re: Does Collins remind you of anyone...

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    The only point I'll make is the observation that BB ,with Collins, continues to draft players that demonstrate that they have positional versatility (nothing new here see  Cannon as OG or OT or Hernandez as TE or WR). Collins could be a coverage LB or a rush LB. I think more and more teams will look for players that fit schematically with their pass D; it's a passing league you need pass rushers and LBs and Safeties who do more than just rack up tackles inside the box. Collins has both experience as 4-3 DE rusher and coverage LB/SS. An adjunct to improving the pass D is that we are seeing more teams taking shots at improving the pass D by draftng DBs higher than usual. An example would be the Niners drafting Eric Reid (a player with a 2nd round grade that went fairly early in 1st due to loss of Goldson). 29 CBs and 23 safeties were taken in the 2013 draft. Only the DE position had more players than CBs drafted and safeties were tied with RBs at 23. This includes 7 DBs taken in the 1st round. The search for the elusive shutdown corner continues with Milliner, Trufant, and Rhodes IMHO.



    I think we need to see evidence that Cannon can play 1 position well before anyone can say he will be serviceable at 2 positions. Collins IMO is right now a speed edge rusher. I dont think he yet has the skills to be a coverage LB. Could he develop? Of course, but right now, no. That is why he was drafted at #52, not in the top 20.

     
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    Chris Slade is the closest I see for former Pats.

     

     
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    Funny, I thought of Slade too, but only from a body type point of view, not necessarily a skillset-for-skillset match.   Slade was more of a refined pass rusher than Collins is coming out of college, and I don't think either of them are great edge setters.  I think Collins is more athletic than Slade was, but Slade turned into a pretty good 3-4 OLB and bookend for McGinest.  I cannot remember if Slade was particularly good at dropping into coverage.  Collins' background playing multiple positions, icluding safety, cannot hurt in that regard.  He certainly has the size and atheltic ability to cover most TEs. 

     
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    Re: Does Collins remind you of anyone...

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    Funny, I thought of Slade too, but only from a body type point of view, not necessarily a skillset-for-skillset match.   Slade was more of a refined pass rusher than Collins is coming out of college, and I don't think either of them are great edge setters.  I think Collins is more athletic than Slade was, but Slade turned into a pretty good 3-4 OLB and bookend for McGinest.  I cannot remember if Slade was particularly good at dropping into coverage.  Collins' background playing multiple positions, icluding safety, cannot hurt in that regard.  He certainly has the size and atheltic ability to cover most TEs. 

     



    What, did Slade play 1 year for BB in 2000?  I remember being surprised he was cut, but then I also didn't realize guys like Vrabel and Phifer would be so effective here either.

     

     




    Think you are right, Slade's career was not overly-long and he finished his career down south somewhere - Atlanta or Carolina maybe?  Anyway, if Collins can be a better version of Slade then great for the Pats.  He certainly seems to have a versatile skillset.  Back in the Slade days the Pats were probably in the 3-4 a lot and I imagine he was a 3 down OLB - not sure if sub packages or specialist-type players were as prevalent. 

     

     
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    Slade did have 53 career sacks and a couple of season with 9 sacks. Agreed he was not so good in coverage...but came in with a good pass rush skill set.

    Collins I feel has a higher ceiling, lets see if the coaches can bring it out of him. He still needs a lot of work as he has not played the position for very long

     
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    Re: Does Collins remind you of anyone...

    Yeah, I think he is imagining Collins filling that kind of role, the Rosy role, a.k.a., the speed rusher character who can also peel off and man up. 

    It will be interesting seeing this kid play 43 end, as NE does a lot of it ....

     

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