Ebert NEEDS to make this team

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    Ebert NEEDS to make this team

    We are too old at the position to pass on young legs like these. If he can contribute in any way shape or form on special teams then I would keep him.

    Burner + Solid Routes = Worth Developing
     
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    I think he has a chance to replace Edelman, but he's going to have to earn that spot by showing skill as a receiver and versatility on special teams.  
     
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    If he excels on special teams ( which I think he might )

    I'd rather he replace the one dimensional Matt Slator

    ( I understand he made the Pro Bowl ...but so did Meriweather the year b4 )
     
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    Doesn't he have a brother named Siskel?!
     
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    I'd love to see it happen because I don't like Edelman as a player - I just don't like his ability to consistently catch the ball. I've liked what I've seen from Ebert in youtube videos etc.
     
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    Not sure why everyone is so down on Edelman -
    As a KR/PR he has never fumbled and we all saw what happens to teams in the playoffs that can't hold on to the ball on special teams. He averaged 24 yds on limited KR which is just average, but he was over 10yds/ on punts which is pretty good and he looked dangerous doing it.
    As a receiver he just hasn't gotten any chances since 2009 when he did a pretty good job filling in when WW went down. He has been targeted a total of 28 times in 36 games between 2010 and 2011 so less than once every game (0.78/game)
     
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    I'm not "down" on Edelman, I just don't think he's all that great a receiver.  He's not too bad as a punt returner but nothing special on kick returns.  I don't think he'll ever be more than a fourth or fifth receiver and an average return guy, so I wouldn't mind seeing him pushed by someone with a bit more potential.  
     
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    there are tons of WRs currently on the roster....someones gotta go. mebbe he'll get phantom injury and end up on IR or w/ luck he'll end up on practice squad
     
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    put him on the Practice Squad.  Nobody is going to take him.  Give him a year to learn because Welker and/or Edelman will be gone next year.
     
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    In response to "Re: Ebert NEEDS to make this team": [QUOTE]Not sure why everyone is so down on Edelman - As a KR/PR he has never fumbled and we all saw what happens to teams in the playoffs that can't hold on to the ball on special teams. He averaged 24 yds on limited KR which is just average, but he was over 10yds/ on punts which is pretty good and he looked dangerous doing it. As a receiver he just hasn't gotten any chances since 2009 when he did a pretty good job filling in when WW went down. He has been targeted a total of 28 times in 36 games between 2010 and 2011 so less than once every game (0.78/game) Posted by mia76[/QUOTE] He also makes the stupidest plays in the world on kick returns when he runs balls 8 feet into the end zone only to leave us at the 5 yard line. Edelman is pure stupid!
     
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    [QUOTE]In response to "Re: Ebert NEEDS to make this team": He also makes the stupidest plays in the world on kick returns when he runs balls 8 feet into the end zone only to leave us at the 5 yard line. Edelman is pure stupid!
    Posted by 49Patriots[/QUOTE]

    He's a converter QB that plays WR, DB, and returns.
    I would guess that takes a little bit of brains, so unless you can do all three at a NFL level, then I wouldn't call him stupid.
     
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    Your right. BB needs to start the youth movement on offense now.
     
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    Edelman is no burner, he just has an explosive first step and so he can sometimes get open over the middle.  Unfortunately for him, he's on a team loaded with great guys that live by going short over the middle:  Welker, Gronk, Hernandez.  The flats are all filled up, every play.  Edelman would survive if Welker was out.  That's why BB grabbed Edelman, because BB recognizes better than most coaches the value of an explosive first step.

    The team really needs one more tall burner like Lloyd to drag two defenders deep.
     
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    i know bb loves edelman's versatility. agree with everyone who siad above he is sub par as a wr and in reliability catching the ball.

    i do hope ebert can be a future ww (reliable slot sepcialist).
     
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    Hypothetical Question :

    Edelman or Slator ...You can only keep one .

    Which and Why ?
     
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    Lets not gorget Ebert needs to get off the exercise bike if he is going to have any shot at all of making the team.

     
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    [QUOTE]Hypothetical Question : Edelman or Slator ...You can only keep one . Which and Why ?
    Posted by CaptnFoxboro[/QUOTE]

    Slater, not even a question.  Slater is one of the best kick coverage guys in the league.  Along with Gostkowski, he's one of the key reasons the Pats don't give their opponents good starting field position on drives.  (I think the Pats were second best in the league in limiting opponents' initial field position on drives.)  That's hugely valuable since the probability of scoring on a drive decreases significantly the further back the drive starts.  
     
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    I've watched some of his college clips.  He's doesn't seem to have much game speed or quickness, the times he creates separation is when defenders mess up their assignments.  I don't see anything that would show he'd be a help w/ kick or punt returns. Does he have any experience playing a defensive back?  LOL Laughing

    I think Nate Ebner had greater upside potential. from his rugby clips, it looks like he can take hits, give hits, and did you see him running? Talk about a long stride....
     
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    Well, from what we read, Ebert is also injured already . . . that doesn't bode so well.  It's funny how we all get so excited every year about these various late round and undrafted "finds" and how reality slowly begins to set in.  

    Maybe he'll turn out to be a big contributor, but we shouldn't forget how much of a long shot any NFL career is . . .  just a few hundred people enter the NFL each year and go on to a truly successful career.  Hundreds more enter and will be lucky to play more than a few snaps.  And thousands more try but never get there at all. 


     
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    I wonder if this signing means that Gronk comes off ST's? We shouldnt have our best receiver on ST's.
     
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    [QUOTE]Well, from what we read, Ebert is also injured already . . . that doesn't bode so well.  It's funny how we all get so excited every year about these various late round and undrafted "finds" and how reality slowly begins to set in.   Maybe he'll turn out to be a big contributor, but we shouldn't forget how much of a long shot any NFL career is . . .  just a few hundred people enter the NFL each year and go on to a truly successful career.  Hundreds more enter and will be lucky to play more than a few snaps.  And thousands more try but never get there at all. 
    Posted by prolate0spheroid[/QUOTE]

    Thought it was Ebner that has been hampered.  Ok, they need nicknames!
     
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    On the Edelman/Slater question - that is a tough one. Slater does one thing very well, but really does not bring anything as WR except speed. Edelman does one thing well (PR - dangerous and has never fumbled) and a few other things at a moderate level. They are both the kind of players that you love to have at the back end of the roster because they always bust their butts.
    I do think the Pats have a few other very good kick coverage guys but they are also on the bubble. Not sure they have a PR. But Slater just signed for 2 more years so I don't think he gets cut. I have wondered recently if they will train him at FS - he didn't play well last season as a DB, but I don't think they ever worked him at the possition through a full off season. He has the speed and the tackling ability - presumably he has moderate ball skills as he has been playing WR - the read and react is the skill he would need to develop.
    People are hoping that either Ebert or Ebner can work out as KR/PR but I think it is telling that neither did it in college. Ebert might have been considered too valuable as a WR, but that would not have been true for Ebner.
     
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    In Response to Re: Ebert NEEDS to make this team:
    [QUOTE]Well, from what we read, Ebert is also injured already . . . that doesn't bode so well.  It's funny how we all get so excited every year about these various late round and undrafted "finds" and how reality slowly begins to set in.   Maybe he'll turn out to be a big contributor, but we shouldn't forget how much of a long shot any NFL career is . . .  just a few hundred people enter the NFL each year and go on to a truly successful career.  Hundreds more enter and will be lucky to play more than a few snaps.  And thousands more try but never get there at all. 
    Posted by prolate0spheroid[/QUOTE]
    If we believe the story.  It could be BB is setting him up for the PUP list to tuck him away for the season.  Maybe BB is concerned that he can't get him through to the PS.  Doesn't matter anyway, we are loaded at receiver and he's a 7th round pick.
     
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    The problem with the PUP list and IR is that the players are not allowed to practice with the team since they are 'physically unable to perform' or 'injured'. While they can use the training facilities and I believe they can attend meetings they are not allowed onto the practice field as more than observers. They can certainly learn the playbook, but not being able to actually practice the plays means that they do not really develop. The practice squad allows them to do everything a roster player does except play in the games.
    For skill positions this is a big draw back. For the beef positions, a year of pro weight training can be a big benefit as college players typically need to add bulk and strength to move up to the pros.
     
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    In Response to Re: Ebert NEEDS to make this team:
    [QUOTE]I wonder if this signing means that Gronk comes off ST's? We shouldnt have our best receiver on ST's.
    Posted by Philskiw1[/QUOTE]

    Agreed
     

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