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It's a collective mental block when it comes to this particular contract. Everybody has it in their brain that it's some terrible, Albert Pujols type contract. The reality is it's team friendly, and they can walk from it after next year.
Amendola's cap hit between this year and next is about $5 mil less than Aaron Hernandez's. So if they don't sign Edelman, blame that guy, not the guy who actually played. Hernandez's cap hit next year is $7.5 mil, Amendola's is $4.7.
Muzzy, Amendola was paid $3.5M for 2013. In 2014 his cap hit is $4.7M, but if he is cut in 2014 his dead money is $6.8M. His cap hit in 2015 is $5.7M, and if cut his dead money is $3.6M.
The PAts would have 2 options with Amendola. Restructure him or cut him. Restructure 99% of the time means extending a contract and adding more money. Cutting means a significant dead money hit. I dont think the PAts want to do either
He was paid a salary of $2 million in 2013, his cap hit was $3.5 mil. Do you honestly not think the Patriots couldn't give this exact same contract to Edelman? Why the heck not? You are correct on the dead money, so Amendola will be with the team in '14 and they can move from him or restructure him after next year, which is exactly what I've been saying. There's no need to do anything with him, his contract is a non-issue. It has nothing to do with Edelman, nothing.
Muzzy, I do think they would give him a similar contract if they could afford to. I simply d not think they can afford to. Of course signing Edelma has everything to do with Amendola. Amendola salary is a point of reference for an Edelman salary, and Amendola is already taking a decent slice of the salary allotment for tha position with the Pats
In 2014, the PAts have $120m already under cntract against a salary cap of approx $122M.
Their adjusted cap this year was about $129 million, so not sure where you get $122 for next year, but anyway...
The salary cap is approx $122M, however the Pats used carry over this year (use it or lose it) which put them over the cap. Next years cap number is a similar approx $122
They will need approx $5M to sign rookies and they like to have some working capitol in season (carry over) of anywhere from $5-$7M.
The Pats need to cut/restructure almost $10M simply to sign rookies and carry over. This does not address Wendell, Talib, Edelman, Spikes, Blount or any other free agent.
It has been discussed Vince and Mankins are candidates to restructure. If they do, certainly a big if, this could allow the Pats to save approx $10M.
They will let Vince go, or give him a veteran minimum deal to stay if he wants that. Savings from letting him go is $8 million, if he stays at a minimum it will be $7 milliion. Mankins will probably be restructured, but could just be allowed to play out his deal and be gone after next year.
I agree there is the potential to renegotiate Vince, and the savings could be anywhere frm $5-$6M.
To sign Edelman certainly involves a guarantee of approx $10M, and a cap hit of $2.5-$3.5 next year. Talib? Wendell? Spikes?
Where do the PAts find the money to get under the cap enough to make these moves?
Some other possible moves and associated cap savings (in millions):
Sopoaga cut: $2.75 agree. big disappointment
Mayo cut or redone: up to $3.7 not cutting Mayo, that will work in reverse as it will cost he Pats more tocut him than keep him at his current salary
Gregory cut: $2.3 I could agree, but who plays S? McCourty, Harmon and TWilson? They would need another S, and could they get one at $2M that is better than Gregory?? I dont think so.
AWilson cut: $1.2 agree. no brainer
Kelly cut: $2.5 disagree. this is a weak position for the Pats, and Kelly at $3M is a good deal
Ghost cut or redone: up to $3.0 disagree. I say resign him to 4/$15
There's up to $15 million on top of $8 million from Vince and whatever they do with Mankins, pretty soon they're in good shape. I don't expect Mayo or Ghost to get whacked, but they could be redone. Maybe Kelly stays or gets redone, but in any case they will have at least $16 to $20 million to work with. Plenty to keep Edelman, Talib and whoever else they want to, plus add a piece or two.
Muzz, you have cut some $$$, but tremendously weakend the team. If you do cut to the bone like you say, there is $20M in savings. But $5M of that is for rookies, $5-$7M of that is for carry over. YOu now hve $8M to replace Vince and Kelly, sign Talib, Wendell, Edelman, Blount, Spikes. I do not agree wth you that they cut so drastic to the bone, nor do they have the $$$ to sign everyone. Talib is the prioity, Edelman is not affordable on this team
Yep. Muzzy bludgeons RKrap. The Krapper is down! The Krapper is down!
I am never down Russell. You know that over the years of me proving yo wrong time and time again