In response to DeadAhead's comment:
To avoid more distraction from TFB12's Incredelman thread, he has asked I move this portion of the conversation to a new thread, so I have obliged.
I have picked it up with the last 2 exchanges, where he still does not admit the 6 million to two players who have put up far more production, with added bonues with what Edelman bring, is the superior to approach:
Once again, I have always like Edelman, I say it all the time on here, and have for many years here even when many were pushing him out the door a few years back when he was on the bubble.
You pushed for Amendola to join the Pats over re-signing Welker and then you continued to tell me how Amendola was so much better and how he would come here and do all these wonderful things. You provided all these false facts about Amendola compared to Welker, I provided true facts based on real numbers debunking your false claims. This where we really went at it. Looks like my thoughts on Amendola were correct. He hasn't done much. Doesn't mean I don't like the guy or that he isn't capeable of maybe doing good things in the future. He hasn't done them this year and not having Welker has hurt the team, as I redicted. Thank goodness Edelman has done very well. Still not Welker numbers from prior seasons but a solid effort.
I don't agree with every decision BB makes. I believe he is very capable of fielding much better defenses then he has over the last 5 years. I also think letting Moss go hurt the Pats. They went without a deep threat for a few years, which I feel hurt this team. They still don't have a solid, dependable deep threat yet. Still hurting the team. I like BB, greatest coach ever in my eyes, reason I started following the Pats but he isn't perfect. He makes mistakes. He has done some things that cost the team at least 1 SB, possibly more.
We can discuss this forever, I gave it a rest about a month ago. You keep bringing it up, we will never agree. You want to continue it, make a thread for it and we can do it there or we can just spare everyone all the headshaking and grief and leave it this. Go a head, get the last word in but don't expect a response from me unless like I said, you start a different thread for it.
He hasn't done much? He's gotten better every week and is trending up. Just how many passes do you want Brady to throw around the field here?
I made no false claims whatsoever:
This is what was said:
1. Amendola is younger, has never played with a good QB, is cheaper than what Welker wanted BB to go with here (8 mil+ per) and has a lower drop rate.
The only question was durability, which I believed to be overrated due to when his injuries occurred. I also feel Gronk's injuries are purely bad luck. It's not a week to week durability problem like we've seen with some other players in this league.
2. Edelman could handle the Welker role. He may not be quite Welker level, but he could produce and represent in similar fashion.
So, you get TWO younger players for the price of ONE older, fading player.
3. Edelman saves a roster spot so BB can only need to carry 2 QBs. He's also the all tim (ALL TIME) punt return leader in terms of yard average. These two elements alone make Edelman over Welker
4. Each Amendola and Edelman can line up at the X and Z, which widens the field for us, which has been a major problem for us in general in recent years with Brady's binky addiction over the middle of the field (Gronk and Welker). This is a MAJOR aspect as to why the approach was the right move. Brady has not worked the perimeter in years. He's either refused to or pretended he needed two HOF flankers, or a binky like Branch, in order to do so.
These are all massive pluses as the case over ONE Welker.
6 million invested. No brainer. Combine all of these elements and facts and look at Welker's current production and the Edelman/Amendolsa production:
Welker 73 Rec, 778 Yards, 10 TDs (13 games)
Edelman 89, 914 Yards, 6 TDs
Amendola 51, 579 Yards, 2 TDS (10 games)
140 receptions, 1493 yards and 8 TDS is superior to what Welker has for the money.
So, at 6 million per, you lose and lose cold. So just admit it and we can move on.
Also, lower drop rate and CLUTCH.
As for Moss, that trade saved our 2010 season. It brought back Branch and made the offense far less predictable. No way Brady wins the MVP and we go 14-2 without that move.
See, this is how I know you started following our team in 2007 when Moss arrived. No one in their right mind would watch Weeks 1-4 with Moss demanding balls from Brady to get a new contract before the lockout and make that absurd statement, thinkning Moss should have been above the team. BB saw it, and dealt him. Thanks BB. BB should have won Exec of the year w/Reese and Caserio in a a RUN AWAY that year along with COach of the Year.
You were warned and you;ve been warned. We will win a SB again when we run the ball and get Brady to legit playaction status. We would have had a worse seed in 2010 with Moss. That finesse offense has as much to do with a perceived "bad" D as anything else.
That's another concept you and the other BBWs don't get. It showed up last week. Was the D that took out the Run, contained Wallace and Clay all day, allowing 17 points in 85 degrees against a desperate opponent really that bad, or was the second half offense the culprit?
Hmmmm. I know the answer.
so it took two guys to replace Welker...