Re: Final Debate (Welker vs Amendola/Edelman)
posted at 12/19/2013 4:11 PM EST
In response to DeadAhead's comment:
FALSE: The arugment has NEVER been about Welker vs Amendola. Edelman has always been capable and Welker ONLY was effective from the slot, while I kept telling you Edelman and Amendola have PROVEN to be effective from the X and Z spots, which meant our offense could be less predictable.
They have to because Dobson and Thompkins aren't. Had Welker been here he would be doing the same thing. He did when he was here, higher % rate of doing so then Amendola did on the Rams.
THAT IS THE ARGUMENT and how to best spread the money to the WR position. THIS is what you NEVER UNDERSTOOD and apparently still don't, which is infurtiating after numerous explanations.
Never, ever part of the initial discussion. The initial discussion was about Amendola and Welker production.
1. With regards to Moss, very clearly his one dimensional role as he aged made him less effective. That was proven after BB dealt Moss. Also, Thompkins, Edelman, Dobson, Boyce, etc, have all proven to get deep. Again, no real Pats fans ever uttered the words "deep threay" pre Moss. This is how I know you came here in 2007 as a fan of our team. Don't try to argue it, it's blatantly obvious. "Deep threat" never entered a Pats fan vocabulary, UNTIL Moss came here. We never won a SB with Moss. In fact, we have been to 4 SBs without Moss, won 3 and ALMOST won 4 with a 3 different leads in SB 46, never to score anything again.
OMG, seriously? You must be kidding. I must have came here as a fan because I used the word deep threat? LMAO @ U. Do you know just how crazy that sounds?? Deep threat is a freaking football term. Moss was one and the Patriots put up record breaking numbers with it. More so then the offense they are using now. Just to let you in on a little secret.. the 2004 offense being ran now isn't working like it did back in 2004, goof!
2. Welker is 33 years old next year. Let's do a wager now and compare Amendola's stats and Welker's next year. If Welker wins, I leave the board for a month and start a thread announcing defeat. If Amendola wins, you leave the board for a month and admitting you were wrong.
LMAO! Come on now, you are really looking foolish. It didn't work out this season.... but wait, how about next season. Will this go on and on until Amendola finally has a Welker type season?
3. Welker's numbers fade in the cold weather. His drop rate also increases. I pointed this out in one my threads and also pointed to Mankins. Of course I was mocked and it was ignored, but it's true. IF Edelman and Amendola keep showing clutch play into these colder months, you're really up the creek and I will start a thread calling you out, since you are not admitting this now.
Welkers drop rate last season was not anywhere near the top of the list last season. Both Edelman and Amendola had drops last week. Amendola also dropped the game winner.
When you say "I knew his numbers would be less in Denver", I said they would be less because he's one year old er and Manning is a different QB than Brady in terms of 5-10 yard accuracy. It's true. It has more to do with that than the weapons around Welkie.
You can not be serious? Dumbest comment I have read here from you today and there have been many. This is probably the dumbest though.
4. Amendola absolutely did not "drop" a TD last week. That was a nice break up by the DB there with his his orange goofy glove clearly getting in there to knock it away. Nice play. Further, Welker was never running a perimeter route like that in his years here. Ever. FACT. You lose that one, too. I;ve seen Edelman and Amendola open deep down the field numerous times from the X or Z. Numerous. Welker? NEVER. Open the windows for Brady. Yep.
Amendola dropped the game winning pass last Sunday. had the ball in both hands before the defender got his hands by the ball. In March you were telling me how Amendola would be a bigger redzone threat due to being taller (1 inch) then Welker, lol! I said no he wouldn't, 1 inch isn't going to make a difference when it comes to the 6'+ DB's. You lost both these arguments!
The Red Zone performance last week would have been better with playaction, it has nothing to do with a pass break up by the Dolphins DB. That play was there and it was a nice play.
Nothing to do with the topic!
The absolute and clear bottom line is, Amendola might have 15-20 more receptions and 200 more yards if he had played 3 more games this year with Welker's 13.
Welkers numbers would have dwarfed Edelmans and Amendolas had Welker been on the Pats this season, especially with the lack of WR talent on this team. This argument of yours is foolish especially considering the weapons Denver has. 4 Very good receivers sharing the ball there.
The whole claim was Welker's durability and now he's not available again and could be done for the year with back to back serious concussions.
Welkers durability was never a question, never needed to be, he was more durable then any receiver here, including Edelman. Everyone was quick to discount Amendola's concussion here saying it happens to everyone. So maybe the same rule should apply to Welker. Last I checked Solder has had 2 concussions this season, maybe he should sit the rest of the season.
Clearly, and VERY clearly, moving forward, the Edelman/Amendola combo is the better overall combo now and moving forward at 6 mllion this year and whateveer the money is for the increased production moving on, assuuming they sign Edelman to a similar deal to that of Amendola.
You did not successfully counter any of my points. Welker be fading out of the league after 2014 at age 34.
Now, we will put it to a vote: