Flacco outperforms Brady... how?

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    Flacco outperforms Brady... how?

    This has been a very common argument regarding how Flacco comes up big against the Pats and, therefore, gets the nod as outperforming TB to this day.

    Looking at the last two matchups, I saw one area Flacco came up big, completing passes beyond 20 yards.  In both games, both threw for the same number of completions:  2011 with 22 and the game this past season, 28.  Brady threw 2 INTs in 2011 and Flacco 1 INT this year.  But, combined, the Ravens had at least 7 pass plays over 20+ yards and the Pats only 3.  Both had 100+ Passer Ratings this year with Brady having an 86 QBR and Flacco with 93.2.  In the playoff game last year, Flacco 95.4 PR with a QBR of 43.0 and Brady 57.5 PR ( his two INTs hurt big!) and a QBR of 71.5!  Surprised at that one.

    IMHO, I believe what people remember most are the long pass plays the Ravens completed in these two games, and therefore, folks presume Flacco outperformed Brady.  Folks remember the bombs and not so much the dink and dunk stuff.  I am not trying to argue that Brady outperformed Flacco, but, the gulf between the two is not as great as some make it out to be.

    Let the arguments begin.    

     
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    Re: Flacco outperforms Brady... how?

    I really meant to say:  How HAS Flacco OUTPERFORMED Brady as everyone has been saying given the numbers.

    Is someone going to bite?

     
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    Re: Flacco outperforms Brady... how?

    I don't know, what does it matter.  Flacco played one of the worst pass defenses in NFL history and Brady played one of the best.  If you give Brady the ball with 2 minutes left to win the game he will almost always do it.  He did last year and they went to the SB the rest is just soap opera.

     
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    Re: Flacco outperforms Brady... how?

    This is what I remember. In the closing moments of the fourth quarter, Flacco drove his team both times down the field to win the game. 1 time they succeeded, 1 time they didn't. But the one time they didnt wasnt really Flacco's fault. He put Cundiff in the position to win and he also gave Evans a good opportunity at a game winning catch.

    Brady on the other hand had chances to really end the game with just a first down and failed both times.

    Every yard and point is the same in the stat book. But we all know how important 4th quarter execution is and it's usually how players are remembered, for good and bad. Flacco has outperformed Brady in the past two fourth quarters. I'll be extrememly worried if it is a really close game going into the fourth....not that I'm never worried.

     
  6. You have chosen to ignore posts from 49Patriots. Show 49Patriots's posts

    Re: Flacco outperforms Brady... how?

    In response to shenanigan's comment:

    I don't know, what does it matter.  Flacco played one of the worst pass defenses in NFL history and Brady played one of the best.  If you give Brady the ball with 2 minutes left to win the game he will almost always do it.  He did last year and they went to the SB the rest is just soap opera.



    This; McCourty and Arrington were the second worst CB duo in NFL history. Joe Flacco piled up yards on the second worst CB duo in NFL history, why he got the credit he got is a mystery to me. 

     

    Let's see him do it to Talib, Dennard and McCourty patroling the deep ball. 

     
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    Re: Flacco outperforms Brady... how?

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    I don't know, what does it matter.  Flacco played one of the worst pass defenses in NFL history and Brady played one of the best.  If you give Brady the ball with 2 minutes left to win the game he will almost always do it.  He did last year and they went to the SB the rest is just soap opera.

     



    This; McCourty and Arrington were the second worst CB duo in NFL history. Joe Flacco piled up yards on the second worst CB duo in NFL history, why he got the credit he got is a mystery to me. 

     

     

    Let's see him do it to Talib, Dennard and McCourty patroling the deep ball. 



    Eh, all things aside...Brady has better weapons around him than Flacco...so it's really just a push.

     
  8. You have chosen to ignore posts from 49Patriots. Show 49Patriots's posts

    Re: Flacco outperforms Brady... how?

    Same thing with him last week, Champ Bailey and Rahim Moore made fools of themselves. No way BB allows them to do it to him. 

     

    No Webb on Welker means Welker will probably have a HUGE game. 

     
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    Re: Flacco outperforms Brady... how?

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    Same thing with him last week, Champ Bailey and Rahim Moore made fools of themselves. No way BB allows them to do it to him. 

     

    No Webb on Welker means Welker will probably have a HUGE game. 



    No Gronk means they can double Welker.

    Hern and Lloyd need to win their 1 on 1's

     
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    Re: Flacco outperforms Brady... how?

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    Same thing with him last week, Champ Bailey and Rahim Moore made fools of themselves. No way BB allows them to do it to him. 

     

    No Webb on Welker means Welker will probably have a HUGE game. 

     



    No Gronk means they can double Welker.

     

    Hern and Lloyd need to win their 1 on 1's



    Well then Brady will just have to learn how to look off Welker and look for Brandon Lloyd on those deeper routes since the only chance to stop Tom from throwing to Welker is to put Ed Reed on him. Double Wes with a CB and a LB and he'll probably beat it, same with a CB and Bernard Pollard. 

     
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    Re: Flacco outperforms Brady... how?

    In response to shenanigan's comment:

    I don't know, what does it matter.  Flacco played one of the worst pass defenses in NFL history and Brady played one of the best.  If you give Brady the ball with 2 minutes left to win the game he will almost always do it.  He did last year and they went to the SB the rest is just soap opera.



    When you look at it that way...  reverse the D's they played, Brady womps them?  Anyway, just creating some conversation.

     
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  14. You have chosen to ignore posts from agcsbill. Show agcsbill's posts

    Re: Flacco outperforms Brady... how?

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    He did it last year, but a lot of that came from Brady's 2 INTs.  Rice was taken out completely and NE would have won going away if not for the 2 bad INTs.

    If Brady doesn't turn it over, NE wins going away.

     



    Especially WHEN they happen.  I think it would have helped if the Pats D performed better against the long passes.  Anyway, we shall see who does well Sunday.

     

     
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    Re: Flacco outperforms Brady... how?

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    Same thing with him last week, Champ Bailey and Rahim Moore made fools of themselves. No way BB allows them to do it to him. 

     

    No Webb on Welker means Welker will probably have a HUGE game. 

     



    No Gronk means they can double Welker.

     

    Hern and Lloyd need to win their 1 on 1's

    Gronk was out early in the Texans game and the Pats scored 41 points afterwards.  Seems they've learned to live without Gronk!


     
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    Re: Flacco outperforms Brady... how?

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    In response to 49Patriots's comment:

     

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    I don't know, what does it matter.  Flacco played one of the worst pass defenses in NFL history and Brady played one of the best.  If you give Brady the ball with 2 minutes left to win the game he will almost always do it.  He did last year and they went to the SB the rest is just soap opera.

     



    This; McCourty and Arrington were the second worst CB duo in NFL history. Joe Flacco piled up yards on the second worst CB duo in NFL history, why he got the credit he got is a mystery to me. 

     

     

    Let's see him do it to Talib, Dennard and McCourty patroling the deep ball. 

     



    Source?

     

    How can that even be true?   Arrington had like 8 INTs and was a Pro Bowl candidate for RCB last year.  Do you realize how dumb that sounds when we know there are literally dozens of god awful pass defenses from other eras in this league's history?

    Arrington is much better suited for the slot and certainly isn't some great CB, but please. Some of our own fan's lack of knowledge of NFL history is disturbing.

    Don't expect false statements to go unchecked here.

    You spoiled pink hats think BB would keep players who are that bad on the his club?

    Brady needs to not be an idiot like throwing into double coverage thinking he's a hero or lobbing underthrown deep balls into triple coverage AFTER his own pass D hooks him up in enemy territory.

    NE runs away with that game if Brady doesn't have such a bad game Ugh.

     



    Rock, dude, the 2011 New England Patriots defense is in the record books as the secondary that gave up the 2nd most yards in NFL history. 

    They're in the record books. 

     
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  18. You have chosen to ignore posts from dapats1281. Show dapats1281's posts

    Re: Flacco outperforms Brady... how?

    In response to agcsbill's comment:

    In response to dapats1281's comment:

     

    In response to 49Patriots' comment:

     

    Same thing with him last week, Champ Bailey and Rahim Moore made fools of themselves. No way BB allows them to do it to him. 

     

    No Webb on Welker means Welker will probably have a HUGE game. 

     



    No Gronk means they can double Welker.

     

    Hern and Lloyd need to win their 1 on 1's

     

     

    Gronk was out early in the Texans game and the Pats scored 41 points afterwards.  Seems they've learned to live without Gronk!




    Ravens and Texans are different. This was the third time we've played the Texans since '09. This will be the sixth time we've played the Ravens. Ravens know the Pats well and know they can beat the Pats. Yeah, I know the Texans beat the Pats in '09, but that was an almost meaningless game for the Patriots.

    Texans looked intimidated by the Pats, Ravens will not be.

    Pats have learned to play without Gronk...but that doesn't mean you should expect what happened in HOU to happen again Bal

     
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    Re: Flacco outperforms Brady... how?

    In response to 49Patriots' comment:

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    I don't know, what does it matter.  Flacco played one of the worst pass defenses in NFL history and Brady played one of the best.  If you give Brady the ball with 2 minutes left to win the game he will almost always do it.  He did last year and they went to the SB the rest is just soap opera.

     



    This; McCourty and Arrington were the second worst CB duo in NFL history. Joe Flacco piled up yards on the second worst CB duo in NFL history, why he got the credit he got is a mystery to me. 

     

     

    Let's see him do it to Talib, Dennard and McCourty patroling the deep ball. 

     



    Source?

     

    How can that even be true?   Arrington had like 8 INTs and was a Pro Bowl candidate for RCB last year.  Do you realize how dumb that sounds when we know there are literally dozens of god awful pass defenses from other eras in this league's history?

    Arrington is much better suited for the slot and certainly isn't some great CB, but please. Some of our own fan's lack of knowledge of NFL history is disturbing.

    Don't expect false statements to go unchecked here.

    You spoiled pink hats think BB would keep players who are that bad on the his club?

    Brady needs to not be an idiot like throwing into double coverage thinking he's a hero or lobbing underthrown deep balls into triple coverage AFTER his own pass D hooks him up in enemy territory.

    NE runs away with that game if Brady doesn't have such a bad game Ugh.

     

     



    Rock, dude, the 2011 New England Patriots defense is in the record books as the secondary that gave up the 2nd most yards in NFL history. 

     

    They're in the record books. 



    Passing stats are a bit inflated now. Saints were 22 yards from tying that Pats mark. It's more than just coincidence that the three statistically worst pass defenses happened to have come in the last two seasons.

     
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  21. You have chosen to ignore posts from themightypatriots. Show themightypatriots's posts

    Re: Flacco outperforms Brady... how?

    Brady's offense: 23 points

    Flacco's offense:  20 points

    Which QB outperformed the other?

     
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    Re: Flacco outperforms Brady... how?

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    Rock, dude, the 2011 New England Patriots defense is in the record books as the secondary that gave up the 2nd most yards in NFL history. 

     

    They're in the record books. 

     




    Last time: no one cares about yards and I can guaradamndarntee you that other teams also are in the books from LAST YEAR.

     

     




    Okay goofball. Let's make a deal.

    The day Brady ends up 31st in passer rating and 15th in TDs which is the exact ranking of last year's D regarding yards and points......

    ....then we will all say Brady sucks just like we say that D sucked!

     

    LMAO@U..... Learn the game junior.

     

     
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    Re: Flacco outperforms Brady... how?

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    Brady's offense: 23 points

    Flacco's offense:  20 points

    Which QB outperformed the other?




    This is truth, the rest is just noise.

     
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    Re: Flacco outperforms Brady... how?

    Well . . .   you've got to admit, Brady was pretty wooden on Saturday Night Live, so the idea that -- theoretically -- Joe Flacco could outperform Tom Brady at something is at least open to debate.

    But in the conference championship?

     

    Oh . . .   I don't think so.

     
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    Re: Flacco outperforms Brady... how?

    In response to RockScully's comment:

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    I don't know, what does it matter.  Flacco played one of the worst pass defenses in NFL history and Brady played one of the best.  If you give Brady the ball with 2 minutes left to win the game he will almost always do it.  He did last year and they went to the SB the rest is just soap opera.

     



    This; McCourty and Arrington were the second worst CB duo in NFL history. Joe Flacco piled up yards on the second worst CB duo in NFL history, why he got the credit he got is a mystery to me. 

     

     

    Let's see him do it to Talib, Dennard and McCourty patroling the deep ball. 

     



    Source?

     

    How can that even be true?   Arrington had like 8 INTs and was a Pro Bowl candidate for RCB last year.  Do you realize how dumb that sounds when we know there are literally dozens of god awful pass defenses from other eras in this league's history?

    Arrington is much better suited for the slot and certainly isn't some great CB, but please. Some of our own fan's lack of knowledge of NFL history is disturbing.

    Don't expect false statements to go unchecked here.

    You spoiled pink hats think BB would keep players who are that bad on the his club?

    Brady needs to not be an idiot like throwing into double coverage thinking he's a hero or lobbing underthrown deep balls into triple coverage AFTER his own pass D hooks him up in enemy territory.

    NE runs away with that game if Brady doesn't have such a bad game Ugh.

     

     



    Rock, dude, the 2011 New England Patriots defense is in the record books as the secondary that gave up the 2nd most yards in NFL history. 

     

    They're in the record books. 

     




    Last time: no one cares about yards and I can guaradamndarntee you that other teams also are in the books from LAST YEAR.

     

    Last year, 3 QBs threw for 5000 yards.   DO THE MATH.

    Points against is what matters.  Please learn the game.  GB also finished behind NE LAST YEAR.

    So, that would mean the "30th ranked" defense in 2011 is also in the books. Get it?  It's an offensive era to set up passing yards, with phantom PIs, roughings, no off PI called, no holding called, etc.

    WAKE UP.

    God forbid Brady blows it on Sunday. Flacco has no business outperforming Brady this year, last year or any year at home.

     

     




    Worst DPR to ever play in a Super Sowl.  Can't win with that.  No one ever has!

    Facts are facts, No team, no matter how good their offense,  has ever won a Super Bowl with such a horrific DPR.  Fact!  Fact! Fact!

    Don't even bother saying no one ever looks at that because apparently they DO as it's been  in the books since the very first SB. (actually 1940)

    Do you know what a DPR is?   You obviously don't as you keep relating it to the NFL's passer rating system.  It's much more than that.  It includes ;

    % Yards YPP TDs  INTs

    Study up!

      For a quick comparrison, NE's DPR in 2005  was a  poor 87.8  (26th) ,the worst team in the league had a 100.7.  Ne's last year was a 102.2

    Ne's this year until the last 4-5 games was also a 102+, They've brought it down to a (unrespectable) 92+. 

    For comparision sake, of all play-off teams, 10 of 12, had a DPR of 78 or less. 

    NE is NOT in that group, they are last, and all the proof you need to prove NE's Defense did them no favors.  It's a miracle they even made the play-offs,  never mind win the SB.

     

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