For ALL those who are criticizing New England's Draft thus far...Reckon with THIS!

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    For ALL those who are criticizing New England's Draft thus far...Reckon with THIS!

    Fairweather fans and ill-informed peons alike:

    I have largely DESPISED Each and Every of Bill Belichick's last 5 (at least) Draft Classes...

    YET, Thus far in 2 (yes 2) Total Rounds, The New England have acquired Players whom I consider The Best CB (#2 as worst case), Tied for The Best TE (#2 at worst case once more), The Second Best ILB, and an OLB pass-rushing specialist in the physical mold of Willie McGinest.  4 Players in just over 60 TOTAL Selections by ALL teams.  ALL ferocious competitors who have decent-excellent physical skill-sets as well... 

    So I'm now taking note (beware)...IF I hear ANY of you Know-Nothings complaining when New England begins its next Dynastic Run at MULTIPLE Championships, after a year or two tops of these players coming to full fruition and great promise, IT Is THEN That I WILL drop the hammer on you pathetic excuses for Pats Fans...  The only minor difference at all, is that because this is over the internet, it'll be just a proverbial hammer of words in a strong but rather decent and somewhat light-hearted tone.  And the other small difference is that my Bengal Cat hides all of my pens and carries them away to some hidden stash of hers, so I really can't take note on a list of names.  Also, 1 more thing...I forget pretty easily, so lest I fail to recall, just remind me somewhere in the distant future of your meekness.  Oh, and I might not even care at that time anyways (ya never know), so again- I might just then ask you to say something derisive towards yourself in private...  
         BUT LIKE I Said People, There WILL be certain, if not harsh or deliberate or even real-REPERCUSSIONS...then there at least will be this dead-set promise of imaginary repercussions which will no doubt weigh heavily on your soul...  
     
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    It's been a good Draft Laz.. Who knows what these guys will do. The trades were a little frustrating though. I try and plan my Elizah Craig shots for 3 minutes before the pick and they keep trading. We better keep 89 and 90.
     
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    HAHAHAHA HAHA HAHAHAHAHA

    Sorry THis was one of those posts I laughed till I cry because it is so right on.  People have their pet names and I can guarantee they would have been happy if they had traded #22 and #44 And # 53 and moved up to #2 and took Suh.  I would have said well, they got a great player but they could have had a shot at three very good players. I say 3 very good is better then one Great.
     
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    All the trading down gets a little silly.

    Don't get me wrong - I am happy with a TE and 3 defenders (addresses weaknesses).

    But what good are FIVE 7th rounders? 

     
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    But what good are FIVE 7th rounders? 
    Posted by Schumpeters-Ghost



    Wideouts are never sure bets, so draft five of them in the seventh round and hope just one of them turns out to be that diamond in the rough . . .
     
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    You know I'm really liking the Cummingham pick. He's that tweener player that can put his hand down but drop back into coverage that I've been looking for. I'm still nervous about Gronkowski just because back injuries are hard to come back from no matter who you are but, he's the prototypical TE the Pats use. I see him as a Fauria with better blocking ability. Might not be the flashy TE but will make the catches and get the 1st's while protecting Brady. McCourty well how I feel about him might depend on Cummingham. I really wanted a pass rusher in the 1st so if he becomes the next Revis I'm sold or if Cummingham is the pass rusher we needed then I'm sold, either way returns and gunners was a major weakness last year and he should make an impact from day 1 there. Spikes was a great value pick for where he was taken and fills the hole at ILB that can stop the run up the middle and cover underneath where we've had problems. I'd still wish we had Williams or Veldheer but I'll take it so far
     
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    I was posting late last night until my computer froze so Ill put my 2 cents in now. I like the Dev Mc. pick and think he is a real first round pick , ok late first round. Pats fans need to do just a lil' homework before foaming at the mouth. I like Haden , but theres a decent size chance he'll end up a good CB. You pick anyone in the top ten you want them to become a franchise player. Your talking about a " boundary " CB who is suspect against the deep ball. The only reason Wilson was even considered a first rounder was because of the senior bowl , he had a very inconsistant year. I wouldnt be surprised at all if Jackson/Dev Mc. were the two best CB's to come out of this draft. If Minne , Indy , SD make this pick then it makes sense. But because Steve f'in Young cant wrap his noodle around it , reach/makes no sense there. Not to PAT (lol..see what I did there , yea..ok ) myself on the back or anything , but Ive been saying for months now that theres not one projected OLB worth taking in the first..and apparently all 32 teams agreed w/ me. If you watched this team last year and came away thinking , well all we need is a pass rush on D , then you havent got a clue. The Pats are building to win now and 7-8 years from now. Yea I might have done it a lil' different , but Im a slob sitting on my couch. I like all these picks so far.
     
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    And.........

    Adam_Schefter: Today Patriots made 4 picks, 4 trades & came away w/extra 2 next year. Nobody works draft board better.


    SI_PeterKing 2011 Draft, first two rounds: NE 2 ones, 2 twos ... Den 1 one, 2 twos (Miami's). Those are the leaders in the clubhouse for 2011 draft.

    (I know it is not this draft, but they are preparing)
     
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        TAYLOR IS ANOTHER PURE FOOTBALL PLAYER WHO WILL WORK AS LONG AND AS HARD AS ANYONE TO BE THE BEST HE CAN BE AND AFTER SEEING HIM THIS PAST SEASON HIS BEST CAN BE VERY GOOD.HE SEEMS IMPROVE EACH TIME YOU WATCH HIM.HE IS NOT THE MOST PRECISE ROUTE RUNNER BUT HE IS ONE TOUGH COOKIE WITH BETTER SPEED THAN SOME OF THE MORE HERALDED WR'S.REMEMBER ROUTE RUNNING IS A COACHABLE SKILL AND HE IS,ACCORDING TO THOSE WHO SHOULD KNOW,A VERY COACHABLE YOUNG MAN.
     
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    Laz,
        As frightening as your "hammer of words" may be, I will have to respectfully disagree. This Devin kid may be OK, but let's agree that the biggest concern for this team was LB. Now, Spikes & Cunningham might be good picks and I think Gronkowski was a solid pick (only concern is durability), you had, who I've watched on TV, a MAMMOTH pass-rusher in Jerry Hughes of TCU. I mean, this guy is a FREAK! We had a chance to take him and we passed for a CB! You know, when we were winning championships and taking a guy like Logan Mankins, who no one heard of before, looked genius. However, this is NOT the same team. This is a team who just got BLOWN OUT at home in the playoffs and have had AWFUL drafts - outside of Meriwether and Mayo (although 09 picks are still TBD) the last few years.

         What does it say when you have drafted for secondary help in the last couple yrs and you AGAIN have to draft a CB? The problem is that BB thinks he can go aganist logic and draft the "best player available". You can do that when you don't have any glaring needs, Bill, but this team has MANY needs. Not to mention the fact that there has been TWO moves this offseason and both have been two aging players on the back 9 of their careers.

           While I appreciate your passion and admire your enthusiasm, this team is trending DOWN. There is no denying that. You can try if you'd like, but you'd just be naive. As much as I hate to say it, the Jets and Dolphins have made better moves and ARE better teams - and that's just in our division.

           I hope that these guys work out, but given the moves (and non-moves) that we have made over the course of the past year, it's looking bleak, man. Maybe going 7-9 this year will wake people up to this fact..We're NOT an elite team any longer. Unfortunately, we're going to have to start getting used to that.

          It used to be "In Bill We Trust". Well, to me, it's now more like "In Trusting Bill, I Fear"....

          
     
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    All the trading down gets a little silly. Don't get me wrong - I am happy with a TE and 3 defenders (addresses weaknesses). But what good are FIVE 7th rounders? 
    Posted by Schumpeters-Ghost


    When did we give up for our 7th rounders?  They were compensatory picks.  How is trading up to the 2nd round in 2011 trading down?
     
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    My wife actually takes the Peanut Butter knife and uses it in the Jelly Jar also. 
    W T F.

    I don't like the fact that 2 draftee's are coming off injury's.  The TE didn't even play last year.  It didn't work out so well with Tate last year.  We shall see.
     
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    30 other teams passed on hughes, not just the pats
     
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     A FEW OF YOU KEEP SAYING"GOOD DRAFT AT LEAST ON PAPER"AND YOU ARE CORRECT BUT THE SAME HOLDS TRUE FOR EVERY TEAM AND EVERY PICK.
     
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    Devin McCourty
    Round 1, Pick 27
    Position: CB
    Class: 5Sr
    School: Rutgers
    Conference: Big East
    HT: 5-10.5
    WT: 193
    40 Time: 4.38
    Biography: Three-year starter awarded All-Conference honors as a senior after posting 80/1/10. Junior totals included 57/1/7.

    Positives: Nice-sized cornerback rising up draft boards. Quick flipping his hips off the line, easily transitions with opponents, and displays a burst of closing and recovery speed. Shows a nice move to the ball, possesses an excellent burst out of his plant and out- positions receivers to defend the throw. Physical in all aspects of the game and quickly come up the field to help defend screen passes or stop running plays. Terrific special teams player who helps out in coverage units.

    Negatives: Lacks the great top-end speed. Adequate ball skills yet has room for improvement.

    Analysis: McCourty really improved his game last year and now ranks as one of the best senior cornerbacks in this draft. He offers a lot of upside for the next level and is a solid second round choice who will help a franchise on special teams as he continues to develop his game.

    Projection: 1st



    Jermaine Cunningham
    Round 2, Pick 53
    Position: OLB
    Class: 4Sr
    School: Florida
    Conference: Southeastern
    HT: 6-3.5
    WT: 266
    40 Time: 4.72
    Biography: Three-year starter awarded All-Conference honors as a senior after totaling 34/12/7. Junior totals of 52/10/6 came after career numbers of 64/12/6.4 as a sophomore.

    Positives: Terrific college defensive end expected to make the transition to outside linebacker at the next level. Quickly gets off the snap with a nice first step, uses his hands to protect himself, and bends off the edge, showing the ability to pursue the action from the back side. Plays with a great amount of explosion, immediately alters his angle of attack, and is fluid moving in all directions of the field. Plays with good balance, pad level, and stays on his feet. Fast off the edge and beats opponents off the corner. Consistently gets leverage on blockers, which gives him an advantage. Better-than-average instincts and does a solid job diagnosing the action.

    Negatives: Lacks bulk and overpowered by tackles or pushed from the line. Rarely asked to play in space or do anything other than rush up the field during his Florida career.

    Analysis: Cunningham has been a consistent player for the Gators the past three years. He plays hard and possesses the necessary physical skills to stand up over tackle as a 34 rush linebacker. Cunningham should also bring value to special teams.

    Projection: 4th

     
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    hey guys,

    New York Jets traded a 2011 third-round pick for Antonio Cromartie, how does that compare with BB 1st pick?

     
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     A FEW OF YOU KEEP SAYING"GOOD DRAFT AT LEAST ON PAPER"AND YOU ARE CORRECT BUT THE SAME HOLDS TRUE FOR EVERY TEAM AND EVERY PICK.
    Posted by kebbe


    relax...check out who other teams got. it's hard to find a team with a better set of picks. maybe seattle? maybe sf. other than that, i can't find anyone who ahd a more impressive class.
     
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    thanks for this laz. people need to calm down. i am giddy with excitement.  does anyone know when rookie camp starts???
     
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    I really don't understand some of you so called Pats fans that don't look at the big picture when it comes to how BB drafts, especially with taking Devin McCourty in the late 1st round (where he was projected).  Why don't you understand that the CB draft class is much smaller than the DE, LB, OL draft class this '10 draft.  So the Pats had Devin McCourty high on their draft board (rated 2nd best in this draft class at CB) AND they knew the Jets (drafting 2 spots behind them) would grab Devin McCourty if they passed on him...so they didn't pass on him & got the CB they wanted.  Was it suprising when it was announced,YES, but it makes complete sense now.

    Then there is the mentality that the Pats need to draft the big name Defensive, WR players...WHY can't you understand that maybe even if a guy is a brute, they aren't the type of player that can play in the Partiot's system?  It's like buying a Ferrari or Lambourghini, then it being driven by a driver who can't control the steering wheel & they end up crashing!!!  It would be a wasted draft pic to do that, even though you (arm chair GM) thinks it was the worst decision to pass up on these so called homeruns.

    Remember, the type of Defense the Patriots try to play is described like Controlled Mayhem (the type of defense that won us SBs) and to have the "Controlled" part means you have to have SMART players who understand the complexity of our Defensive schemes so they can't be just guys who are animals because they would cause you more problems because they won't understand the type of defense they are being asked to play & THAT will do more harm than good!  The Patriots have a system in place that has worked & it got a bit out of control the past couple years, but BB is now doing what he has to do, bring in the right type of players that it takes to be a Championship team again!
     
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    The first time someone throws a TD over Mccourtney this board will be full of "I told you so's."  Obviously there is not a CB in the league who can stop every pass, and never allows a TD, but the experts will come out.  Also I predict that by the first game every single pick will be proclaimed a "bust" by some expert fans.  If one of these guys doesn't start next year they will be busts to some.  If one of these guys is a bust (which is entirely possible because the draft is not an exact science) then the sky will fall and the Pats will never win again and some will want BB's head on a platter.  If a player chosen by another team becomes a star then the expert fans will say they wanted him and they knew he was the next big thing regardless of whether he could play in the Pats system or he wasa available when the Pats picked.
     
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    Laz, I think I have a man-crush on you jk jk lmao

    It's fun to talk with other fans, but some people last night really shouldn't be Pats fans if they're going to turn on their team 5 months before the season before they ever see anybody play a snap.

    Am I thrilled with McCourty based on what I know?  No.  But I don't know much about him, so I'll wait to see him on the field because he's a rookie and even then he might need a full season before he fully develops (most cornerbacks don't come into their own until their second season).

    Do I love the Pats' second round picks?  Yes, Yes, and IDK.  

    I love getting Brandon Spikes in the second round when he was supposed to be one of the best middle linebackers in college football at the beginning of the season.  I think people really overreacted to his eye-gouging incident.  With all due respect to the owner of the gouged eyes, and knowing I never did this to anyone who didn't sprain my quarterback's neck (which means I only did this twice to the same a**h*le), at least Spikes is passionate about the game of football.  He isn't rap1ng college girls and using his bouncers as cover.  He isn't fathering 5 children.  He was caught up in the moment playing a game he loves.  I can live with that.

    Gronkowski sounds like the total package, and I'm tentatively excited (although Pats tight ends have underwhelmed, so I'm hoping picking him in the second round will lead to more realistic expectations than for Graham the 6th lineman and Catching-Is-Not-Elementary-Watson).

    I have no clue who Taylor Price is.  I won't even pretend to feel anything about the Pats picking him.  I just know that Welker was playing catch with Brady at UCLA earlier this offseason and Moss will be recovered from his dislocated shoulder, while Edelman will have another year under his belt and Torry Holt is one of the smartest receivers in terms of finding soft spots in zones and in terms of route running in all of football, and Brandon Tate will be back with a chance to show his stuff.  I also know that the previous sentence was a run-on sentence.  Bite me.

    I can't wait to see what the Pats do in the 4th round (still a lot of good players on the board) and I REALLY CAN'T WAIT TO SEE THEM TAKE THE FIELD.
     

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