In Response to Re: Grade Pats draft through Round 2
[QUOTE]brdbreu, I am confident that will change. Were we good enough to win it all in 2007? Definitely yes Were we good enough to win it all in 2008? Probably not Were we good enough to win it all in 2009? Probably not Were we good enough to win it all in 2010? Definitely yes Did we lose any major contributors from the 2010 team? Not yet Will we be good enough to win it all in 2011 even without a good draft? I think so. But since the Kraft era I think that every year. "But there IS no arguing with the reality here: Belichick, given his arsenal on draft day, Could and SHOULD, have done so much more..." Instead he trades into next year again. I t would be nice to get Belichick's reasoning on this wouldn't it Laz?
Posted by digger0862[/QUOTE]
Oh man digger, I am a HUGE proponent on trading for future draft picks. EVERY...Single...Year. Always. People bashed that trade with New Orleans at Selection spot #28 in Round 1... REALLY?!? I wouldn't care WhoTH was on the Big Board! Belichick moved down halfway into Rd 2 AND got Orleans 1st Rd pick in 2012. Jesus, IF the Saints win the d#mn SB and Pats pick at #32 next year, that means NE STILL got an absurdly good deal. I even went into all of this on a draft thread on draft day itself, by mentioning Both this, and the fact that this 2011 drafft class was shallow on the "Elite" talent part (and very hazy this time around, and by my estimates, these "Elite" types were gonna be off the board anywhere from selection 16-18 to selection (at best, when teams made poor "reaches")- selection 22-maybe 24...
But I'm not talking 1 single bit about trading down, and stockpiling future picks... And I didn't in my post. Heck, I wanted to trade down that #33 pick too, and get ideally a very late 2nd rder, and a 3rd rder, or even two 3rd rders, or I'd even have taken a 3rd and a 4th rder, along with a future 2nd or 3rd rder...All doable.
I AM tallking about targeting the correct guys for the correct price, selection-wise. And above ALL else, NO multi-rd "Reaches." Just see my 1st post above, and compare it to this draft... Rd 1, you target Guranteed ready to play true talent...And I wanted an OT too. Imho, NE especially this year, had to start with the trenches, and the OTs were slipping down the board b/c so many 3-4 teams now, and they all want a 3-4 DE/DT. And even though NE NEEDS this spot ideally as well, OT both takes priority in both need, targetable talent b/c of guys projected to slipping (and they did). BUT, you target, skilled targetable ready to play talent that was well-proven on the field...AND at the right price (as always). Not a prospect that got blown up at The Senior Bowl, but has massive upside, but only IF he reaches his true potential (and you pray he does), He'll only be a LOT not both an interchangeable ROT and LOT. And it just makes sense, to NOT start a guy at Brady's blindside...It'd be ideal getting him and allowing him to get a "feel" for the O-Line next to Mankins on the ROT spot. NE could have and should have taken Carimi who showed himself to be by far the best ROT, and when and after each and every one of his practices and the senior bowl game itself, Carimi showed that he was far and away a GREAT pass-blocking LOT...better than any other senior OTs there, including Solder. The fact that they even tried him at OG, and Carimi was superb there, was just added bonus. But even at 1st rd pick #17, there was who? Carimi, Solder, Sherrod, and Castonzo still on the board, right? And ALL of these guys, at worst were very end of 1st rd worthy talent, right? 4 guys, all of whom CAN be at the very least, "Adequate" starting material, and probably non-busts. And the 3 teams after NE didn't NEED OTs (or they were much further down their positional needs list). BUT that wasn't the case for Eagles, and then Colts, and then some other team (?), who desperately could have used a good OT, and they started with the Eagles at #20 or #21... So why not trade down to #19 or #20, and the greater chance is that Pats STILL coulda gotten ANY one of these guys, these OTs...?!! Even IF they wanted Solder, 99% he'd still be there, or probably 100% and at worst, 3 of these 4 OTs would still be there. Heck, Us draft people SAW this and STATED this, and the way it was looking, It WAS the actual Case, and it even turned out that ALL of them were there still at #19/#20 of Rd 1! I don't even care IF Belichick could have gotten some garbage deal, like a 4th or even pathetic deal 5th rder out of this trade... It just made sense.
And some of the other guys... Ras I and Vareen. Lol, I actually LIKE these players...but NOT, in any way, shape, OR form, the spots BB took them at. And don't say, "Ras I WOULD have been a 1st rder IF he didn't get injured last year," because it does not work like this...it's where they are now, ON draft day itself that matters. BB could have selected Ras I halfway through Rd 2, ZERO question about it. With Ras I's injury, the fact that even at his Senior 40 day, the guy pulled his hamstring running it for goodness sake (scarey, right?). Ras I IS a good CB, but in watching his filmwork, and there's ALOT of good to take away, One CAN also see that some of the things he got away with in College (coverage-wise), he will NOT be able to count on in the Pros (half the time, Ras I seems to be mugging the wideouts). But again=Good press CB IS what I want...AND a tough as nails one that smashes RBs in the running game. But the price...THIS is what matters to me (as it should to Belichick). Halfway through Rd 2, Ras I would have UNDOUBTEDLY have been available.
Same with Vareen. NE could have got him with their top 10 pick of Rd 3, not their bottom pick of Rd 2...and this matters. And good god!!! The RB in Rd 3, DOES have the ideal in size you want, and that works so incredibly good coupled with NE's zone-blocking O-Line. But at the start of Rd 3?!? He was an "Ideal" projection of Rd 5 candidacy... No WAY do you take him here...ever.
And these weren't SO god-awful...but boy, it turned disgusting. CB who didn't start, when NE could have taken a shot at a stud who might have had an injury his Senior Year, but was formerly 1st or early 2nd rd worthy. THIS is when you target these guys (Greg Romeus, Mark Herzlich). In rd 4, and rd 5, NE could have and should have, taken 1 of 2 wideouts that had slower 40 times, but who's route trees, football IQs, off-field, on field, etc, were so exceptional (I'm marveled by the way they set up CBs before knowing excatly when to make a first cut, I'm marveled with the way they just know how to alter their routes when a QB is in trouble, Great hands, good size, totally fearless, and exceptional football smarts). Who? Greg Salas, OR/and Austin Pettis. St Louis nabbed them both. These guys would have thrived under Brady's leadership, and BB's, and in NE's complicated Offfense, built for wideouts that just NEED to know and be on the same page as Brady in getting open (trust in their soft hands, etc., etc.).
At the end...Here you can target some of those big bodies. 1st, you go O-Line, b/c again=Great value at that needed spot for NE. 1 guy whom I can think of was Andrew Jackson, an OT/OG tweener from Mankins often less heralded school too, I believe...Fresno State. Finally, you can make a play for something you CAN'T teach, remember? Size... David Carter some 6'6 300lb DE/DT out of UCLA would have been available at his targeted/projected draft spot into those later rds, like 6th. Makes sense...He was hard-working, busted his rear, but just didn't blow up in the college game. And analysts actually said he was a GOOD player! Maybe under NE's guidance,it's not such a bad risk-reward investment, to take only a 6th rd gamble on some 6'6 300lb hard-working young DT/DE, that might excell if given the right direction...and only a 6th rder, c'mon. Here you can and SHOULD do this.