Re: Groiwing tired of Patriot Defense!
posted at 9/16/2009 2:42 PM EDT
In Response to Re: Groiwing tired of Patriot Defense!
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Groiwing tired of Patriot Defense! : You state the obvious. Of course at this point the players on the superbowl teams were better. The defense now is young and hasn't been there YET but any team that Belichick has put together has a damn good chance of getting there. Why would people not want to consider this? The question you should be concerned with right now is what can Peyton do without 2 prolific wrs for the first time in his career?
Posted by TrueChamp[/QUOTE]
1st - I don't subscribe to the fact that regardless of players that any group of players that Belichick coaches can get to the level he had his earlier teams at. I think he is the best coach, but no one is that good. Players play the game. If they are not as good as their opponents then they lose.
As to the Manning question -
1998 - Harrison and Pathon
1999 - Harrison and Wilkens
2000 - Harrison and Pathon
2001 - Harrison and Wilkens
2002 - 2006 -Harrison and Wayne
2007 - Wayne and Gonzalez (Gonzo - rookie)
2008 - Harrison and Wayne
The point - in 6 of 11 Manning years Manning only had one prolific receiver and I would actually say 7 because in 02 Wayne was only a 2nd yr receiver. Manning will be fine. Watch.
Prolific receivers result good QB's and hard work. Manning also works very very hard in the offseason with his receivers. It doesn't matter where they are drafted (i.e. Wes Welker) but how hard they are willing to work to succeed. This is why Manning has had prolific receivers.
Another note - none of Manning's primary WR's over his entire career possessed the game altering size of Moss/Owens/Johnson/Johnson/Boldin/Fitzgerald. His receivers don't necessarily win jump balls which everyone of those I cited can.
Finally, I have yet to jump onto the Anthony Gonzalez bandwagon. He has been ok, but not (IMO) worthy of his draft position. Maybe I am being harsh, but it is the way I see it. So, for those of you who want to apply prolific to Gonzalez, I think you are way off base.