Re: Guess the Offensive Coordinator Contest
posted at 12/21/2013 7:07 PM EST
In response to prolate0spheroid's comment:
In response to coolade2's comment:
No doubt the defense could have shut down Eli better on those early drives but overall the score was kept down and the opportunity for the offense was right there for the taking. The 3rd possession was where this game was lost.
After 2 possessions you have gotten a picture of what the defense was doing and conversely you have given the defense a picture of what you are doing.
Point is... DO Something Different. Just trotting out the same crap, thinking that you will continue winnig the same matchups over and over with WElkie on player A is just dumb linear thinking. They are making adjustments too . So You have to change and give them more to worry about. Simple as that. They didn't and Brady was sacked twice. Ball game. since the following 5 possessions were same crap same result : punt ,fumble, punt , punt. ( and a turnover on downs rather than attempt a 48 yard FG).
so I'm not so quick to blame the defense even though there were opportunites there to pick up the underperforming offense but it didn't happen. But clearly the offense, more specifically the BBOC, blew this game.
The offense didn't deliver. But really, I don't see signs that different plays would have changed the way the Giants' D line was beating our O line, both in the pass and the run.
To me, the 2007 Super Bowl was won and lost in the trenches. Tuck, Strahan, and Osi were way more talented then guys like Kazcur and Hochstein.
Read this and weep:
Additionally, the Giants made plans to blitz out of formations from which they had been passive in the Week 17 meeting, and to sit back out of formations from which they'd blitzed. Seven minutes into the second quarter, Mitchell lined up over center Dan Koppen's nose in one of the A gaps, with Pierce in the other A gap, a look Spagnuolo learned from his mentor, Jim Johnson, the late Eagles defensive coordinator. At the snap Mitchell took two steps back as if to bail—which he had done in Week 17—and then sprinted at Brady for a sack. "Nobody even touched me," says Mitchell.
The Patriots weren't surprised that New York brought pressure. Their response? "We wanted to run the ball," says Heath Evans, the Pats fullback who retired in 2011 and now works for the NFL Network. "I called my father the week of the game and said, 'I'm going to get 40 snaps, because we're going to run it down their throats. We didn't do that because one guy couldn't do his job." Evans would not name the one guy. (Pierce has a guess: "Mankins. Tuck was tough on him.")
Stephen Neal, who started the game at right guard for New England, says, "We had a really balanced game plan based on running the ball and staying out of third-and-long, because they had some really good blitzes." The Patriots had averaged 28.4 runs in 2007 and had only two games in which they ran the ball fewer than 22 times. But despite the low score in Super Bowl XLII, they rushed just 16 times, matching their second-lowest total of the year. (Neal left the game in the second quarter with a torn right MCL.)
Brady would throw 48 passes, his second-highest total of the year. He would complete 29 for 5.54 yards per attempt, his second-lowest average of the year. And he would be under siege nearly every time he dropped back. "The level of execution the Giants brought that night was almost unmatched in my experience," says Kyle Brady. "The speed with which they moved in their stunts and pressures—just a tremendous pace."
Russ Hochstein, 34, the veteran offensive lineman who came in for Neal in Super Bowl XLII and who has played the last three seasons with the Broncos, says, "We wanted to run the ball and we didn't have success. And they had a phenomenal pass rush. Tuck, Osi, Strahan. They were fast and they confused us, absolutely. The speed and intensity of the game, like all Super Bowls, was phenomenal. That game is played at another level. Guys who have never played in a Super Bowl, they don't know that. But it just is."
The Giants sacked Brady five times, hit him nine more times and almost never let him relax on his reads. "Brady stayed in there," says Mitchell. "I remember that. He's a great quarterback. Tough guy. But it really doesn't matter how great a guy is when the pressure just keeps coming like that."
yeah... I get that the Jints Dline played like they were on Crack-Addderal-meth IVs but that is really beside the point because your sentence implies that a Dline can dictate the entire game when they are merely 4 players out of 11 who happen to be using some clever stunts and playing with "energy".
The calling of plays is the ONLYway to approach this mismatch once you have identified it. This is the singular JOB of the OC... The first problem is identifying it. It is on the coaches to make these judgments and start attacking the sidelines or using trap block running plays that exploit mobile Dlines. You mention the running plays that were stuffed. Well maybe they were not blocked with the right blocking scheme. To judge your running game on a couple Maroney runs is limited at best. He was not the best back at hitting holes. Because of the relative success of the short passing game the amateur OC move is to just go shotgun and start throwing it . This doesn't solve the Dline problem.
As an OC you need to have 4 or 5 contingency plans for these kinds of developments in a game. If you don't then you just stubbornly keep trying to impose your limited offense hoping "better execution" will win out... Well maybe you're attacking the wrong area of the field. Start attacking another area. Change . evolve. Move. This is the indictment of this offensive system. It is too rigid and limited. On top of that... Because of the complexity the young players aren't able to grasp the full playbook . What's up with that...? Do you know how stupid that sounds...?
"We're so sophisticated our own players aren't getting it..." Wow. 9 years later and the full picture has been laid out. F.A.I.L. or... just good enough for the AFC east with some friendly officiating but not so much in a physical battle with better teams. It appears that not only was Weis the better OC than the others , he may have been the singular reason that this BB limited team got out of its own way and won the title at all.