Guns don't kill people, people kill people, right? Can we please avoid all mentions of wanton violence just for this weekend?

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    One would think that in honor of the, oh so young, dead in this event that we could leave off with our political postions on the issue of gun control but I see we haven't.  We should honor those dead kids with our stunned silence, not our partisan vitriol.  Try it for one day and see how it feels. 

     
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    One would think that in honor of the, oh so young, dead in this event that we could leave off with our political postions on the issue of gun control but I see we haven't.  We should honor those dead kids with our stunned silence, not our partisan vitriol.  Try it for one day and see how it feels. 

     
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    One would think that in honor of the, oh so young, dead in this event that we could leave off with our political postions on the issue of gun control but I see we haven't.  We should honor those dead kids with our stunned silence, not our partisan vitriol.  Try it for one day and see how it feels. 

     
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    One would think that in honor of the, oh so young, dead in this event that we could leave off with our political postions on the issue of gun control but I see we haven't.  We should honor those dead kids with our stunned silence, not our partisan vitriol.  Try it for one day and see how it feels. 

     
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    One would think that in honor of the, oh so young, dead in this event that we could leave off with our political postions on the issue of gun control but I see we haven't.  We should honor those dead kids with our stunned silence, not our partisan vitriol.  Try it for one day and see how it feels. 

     
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    One would think that in honor of the, oh so young, dead in this event that we could leave off with our political postions on the issue of gun control but I see we haven't.  We should honor those dead kids with our stunned silence, not our partisan vitriol.  Try it for one day and see how it feels. 

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    Or maybe in honour of the victims we could actually get off out rear ends and do something to counteract the gun lobby?  Sorry, but i'm sick of people acting like passivity is a virtue or acting helpless in the face of evil. Take action. That's real responsibility. You honor no one by youWesley-righteous apathy.

     

     

     
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    One would think that in honor of the, oh so young, dead in this event that we could leave off with our political postions on the issue of gun control but I see we haven't.  We should honor those dead kids with our stunned silence, not our partisan vitriol.  Try it for one day and see how it feels. 

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    Or maybe in honour of the victims we could actually get off out rear ends and do something to counteract the gun lobby?  Sorry, but i'm sick of people acting like passivity is a virtue or acting helpless in the face of evil. Take action. That's real responsibility.

     

     

     
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    One would think that in honor of the, oh so young, dead in this event that we could leave off with our political postions on the issue of gun control but I see we haven't.  We should honor those dead kids with our stunned silence, not our partisan vitriol.  Try it for one day and see how it feels. 

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    Or maybe in honour of the victims we could actually get off out rear ends and do something to counteract the gun lobby?  Sorry, but i'm sick of people acting like passivity is a virtue or acting helpless in the face of evil. Take action. That's real responsibility.

     

     

     
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    Im am a gun owner, but came into it through a hunting family so the guns I own due to inheritance are shotguns, and hunting rifles which were used for deer hunting, and .22s to go shooting with. At no time have I ever owned and still do not believe there is any reason that high capacity assault/military style weapons should be legal for civilians to own. My uncles had no problem with deer rifles that held a max of 5 rounds.

     
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    Im am a gun owner, but came into it through a hunting family so the guns I own due to inheritance are shotguns, and hunting rifles which were used for deer hunting, and .22s to go shooting with. At no time have I ever owned and still do not believe there is any reason that high capacity assault/military style weapons should be legal for civilians to own. My uncles had no problem with deer rifles that held a max of 5 rounds.

     
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    Im am a gun owner, but came into it through a hunting family so the guns I own due to inheritance are shotguns, and hunting rifles which were used for deer hunting, and .22s to go shooting with. At no time have I ever owned and still do not believe there is any reason that high capacity assault/military style weapons should be legal for civilians to own. My uncles had no problem with deer rifles that held a max of 5 rounds.

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    I'm a hunter too ccsji, and own three shotguns. I'm not anti-gun.  I don't understand though why Americans can't find the backbone to stand up to the NRA. Evidence from around the world shows that less access to high-capacity firearms correlates with lower gun deaths. Yet this morning on the news I hear repeated specious arguments about how gun control won't work or how even if it did work how we're powerless to stop evil. Since when have Americans become such idiots and jellyfish. It drives me freakin' nuts.

     

     
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    Im am a gun owner, but came into it through a hunting family so the guns I own due to inheritance are shotguns, and hunting rifles which were used for deer hunting, and .22s to go shooting with. At no time have I ever owned and still do not believe there is any reason that high capacity assault/military style weapons should be legal for civilians to own. My uncles had no problem with deer rifles that held a max of 5 rounds.

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    I'm a hunter too ccsji, and own three shotguns. I'm not anti-gun.  I don't understand though why Americans can't find the backbone to stand up to the NRA. Evidence from around the world shows that less access to high-capacity firearms correlates with lower gun deaths. Yet this morning on the news I hear repeated specious arguments about how gun control won't work or how even if it did work how we're powerless to stop evil. Since when have Americans become such idiots and jellyfish. It drives me freakin' nuts.

     

     
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    What you fail to absorb is that, this, is, not, "around the world".

     

     
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    Im 47 so remember the early 80s when all the assault style weapons became the rage - the "street sweeper" shotgun has absolutely NO sporting purpose. The military style AR-15s, Ruger mini 14s, and others made in .223 caliber arent even a legal deer hunting round in many states because the caliber is too small. There are collectors of these weapons that like to shoot them, FINE - just make a fixed magazine 5 shot civilian model that top loads one round at a time like bolt action deer rifles.....

     
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     Evidence from around the world

     

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    What you fail to absorb is that, this, is, not, "around the world".

     

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    What you fail to realize is it ain't Mogadishu either.  The "exceptionalism you seem to be arguing for is a figment of your own imagination.  The US isn't that different and itcertainly isn't so violent nothingscan be done.

     

     
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     Evidence from around the world

     

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    What you fail to absorb is that, this, is, not, "around the world".

     

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    What you fail to realize is it ain't Mogadishu either.  The "exceptionalism you seem to be arguing for is a figment of your own imagination.  The US isn't that different and itcertainly isn't so violent nothingscan be done.

     

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    You completely miss the difference. Beyond the demographic issues we have discussed the USA is not structured like any Euro country or Canada. We have 50 "countries" that have a certain level of autonomy. The federal usurpation of states rights by citing the "commerce clause" is already near the breaking point of tolerance in a large number of venues.

    If you want gun control get on your hiking boots and cajole the 50 separate governments you need to create universal change.

     
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    I'm a hunter too ccsji, and own three shotguns. I'm not anti-gun.  I don't understand though why Americans can't find the backbone to stand up to the NRA. Evidence from around the world shows that less access to high-capacity firearms correlates with lower gun deaths. Yet this morning on the news I hear repeated specious arguments about how gun control won't work or how even if it did work how we're powerless to stop evil. Since when have Americans become such idiots and jellyfish. It drives me freakin' nuts.

     

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    If it's so important to you, why aren't you leading the way organizing anti-NRA rallies and starting your own PAC or whatever it takes. It appears to me you're just ranting on a message board, not actually accomplishing very much. You sit there calling Americans idiots, well what does that make you?

     
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     Evidence from around the world

     

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    What you fail to absorb is that, this, is, not, "around the world".

     

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    What you fail to realize is it ain't Mogadishu either.  The "exceptionalism you seem to be arguing for is a figment of your own imagination.  The US isn't that different and itcertainly isn't so violent nothingscan be done.

     

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    You completely miss the difference. Beyond the demographic issues we have discussed the USA is not structured like any Euro country or Canada. We have 50 "countries" that have a certain level of autonomy. The federal usurpation of states rights by citing the "commerce clause" is already near the breaking point of tolerance in a large number of venues.

    If you want gun control get on your hiking boots and cajole the 50 separate governments you need to create universal change.

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    That's a silly excuse, that really is no obstacle if the American people have the will.

     

     
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    I'm a hunter too ccsji, and own three shotguns. I'm not anti-gun.  I don't understand though why Americans can't find the backbone to stand up to the NRA. Evidence from around the world shows that less access to high-capacity firearms correlates with lower gun deaths. Yet this morning on the news I hear repeated specious arguments about how gun control won't work or how even if it did work how we're powerless to stop evil. Since when have Americans become such idiots and jellyfish. It drives me freakin' nuts.

     

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    If it's so important to you, why aren't you leading the way organizing anti-NRA rallies and starting your own PAC or whatever it takes. It appears to me you're just ranting on a message board, not actually accomplishing very much. You sit there calling Americans idiots, well what does that make you?

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    You still haven't told me what neighborhood you live in where a Glock is necessary to defend yourself and your family. 

     
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    I'm a hunter too ccsji, and own three shotguns. I'm not anti-gun.  I don't understand though why Americans can't find the backbone to stand up to the NRA. Evidence from around the world shows that less access to high-capacity firearms correlates with lower gun deaths. Yet this morning on the news I hear repeated specious arguments about how gun control won't work or how even if it did work how we're powerless to stop evil. Since when have Americans become such idiots and jellyfish. It drives me freakin' nuts.

     

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    If it's so important to you, why aren't you leading the way organizing anti-NRA rallies and starting your own PAC or whatever it takes. It appears to me you're just ranting on a message board, not actually accomplishing very much. You sit there calling Americans idiots, well what does that make you?

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    You still haven't told me what neighborhood you live in where a Glock is necessary to defend yourself and your family. 

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    I live near Tampa. A relatively safe suburb, probably not much different from Newtown or Cheshire, CT. Remember Cheshire from a few years ago? Stuff happens everywhere.

     
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     Evidence from around the world

     

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    What you fail to absorb is that, this, is, not, "around the world".

     

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    What you fail to realize is it ain't Mogadishu either.  The "exceptionalism you seem to be arguing for is a figment of your own imagination.  The US isn't that different and itcertainly isn't so violent nothingscan be done.

     

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    You completely miss the difference. Beyond the demographic issues we have discussed the USA is not structured like any Euro country or Canada. We have 50 "countries" that have a certain level of autonomy. The federal usurpation of states rights by citing the "commerce clause" is already near the breaking point of tolerance in a large number of venues.

    If you want gun control get on your hiking boots and cajole the 50 separate governments you need to create universal change.

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    That's a silly excuse, that really is no obstacle if the American people have the will.

     

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    What don't you grasp about the states determining the gun laws? It's not an excuse. Who do we have to explain our laws to, you? Podunk Canada?

     
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     Evidence from around the world

     

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    What you fail to absorb is that, this, is, not, "around the world".

     

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    What you fail to realize is it ain't Mogadishu either.  The "exceptionalism you seem to be arguing for is a figment of your own imagination.  The US isn't that different and itcertainly isn't so violent nothingscan be done.

     

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    You completely miss the difference. Beyond the demographic issues we have discussed the USA is not structured like any Euro country or Canada. We have 50 "countries" that have a certain level of autonomy. The federal usurpation of states rights by citing the "commerce clause" is already near the breaking point of tolerance in a large number of venues.

    If you want gun control get on your hiking boots and cajole the 50 separate governments you need to create universal change.

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    That's a silly excuse, that really is no obstacle if the American people have the will.

     

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    What don't you grasp about the states determining the gun laws? It's not an excuse. Who do we have to explain our laws to, you? Podunk Canada?

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    How about the states shouldn't handle their own gun laws. States with tighter gun laws are besieged by illegal weapons bought legally in states with lax laws. The NRA loves this. They make sure the pipelines from the legal to the illegal markets remain open while at the same time using the amount of illegal weapons as a scare tactic to get people to buy more legal weapons. And thus the weapons industry continues to make money by the truckload.

     
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    What you fail to absorb is that, this, is, not, "around the world".

     

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    What you fail to realize is it ain't Mogadishu either.  The "exceptionalism you seem to be arguing for is a figment of your own imagination.  The US isn't that different and itcertainly isn't so violent nothingscan be done.

     

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    You completely miss the difference. Beyond the demographic issues we have discussed the USA is not structured like any Euro country or Canada. We have 50 "countries" that have a certain level of autonomy. The federal usurpation of states rights by citing the "commerce clause" is already near the breaking point of tolerance in a large number of venues.

    If you want gun control get on your hiking boots and cajole the 50 separate governments you need to create universal change.

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    That's a silly excuse, that really is no obstacle if the American people have the will.

     

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    What don't you grasp about the states determining the gun laws? It's not an excuse. Who do we have to explain our laws to, you? Podunk Canada?

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    How about the states shouldn't handle their own gun laws. States with tighter gun laws are besieged by illegal weapons bought legally in states with lax laws. The NRA loves this. They make sure the pipelines from the legal to the illegal markets remain open while at the same time using the amount of illegal weapons as a scare tactic to get people to buy more legal weapons. And thus the weapons industry continues to make money by the truckload.

     
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    What you fail to absorb is that, this, is, not, "around the world".

     

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    What you fail to realize is it ain't Mogadishu either.  The "exceptionalism you seem to be arguing for is a figment of your own imagination.  The US isn't that different and itcertainly isn't so violent nothingscan be done.

     

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    You completely miss the difference. Beyond the demographic issues we have discussed the USA is not structured like any Euro country or Canada. We have 50 "countries" that have a certain level of autonomy. The federal usurpation of states rights by citing the "commerce clause" is already near the breaking point of tolerance in a large number of venues.

    If you want gun control get on your hiking boots and cajole the 50 separate governments you need to create universal change.

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    That's a silly excuse, that really is no obstacle if the American people have the will.

     

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    What don't you grasp about the states determining the gun laws? It's not an excuse. Who do we have to explain our laws to, you? Podunk Canada?

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    How about the states shouldn't handle their own gun laws. States with tighter gun laws are besieged by illegal weapons bought legally in states with lax laws. The NRA loves this. They make sure the pipelines from the legal to the illegal markets remain open while at the same time using the amount of illegal weapons as a scare tactic to get people to buy more legal weapons. And thus the weapons industry continues to make money by the truckload.

     
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    What you fail to absorb is that, this, is, not, "around the world".

     

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    What you fail to realize is it ain't Mogadishu either.  The "exceptionalism you seem to be arguing for is a figment of your own imagination.  The US isn't that different and itcertainly isn't so violent nothingscan be done.

     

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    You completely miss the difference. Beyond the demographic issues we have discussed the USA is not structured like any Euro country or Canada. We have 50 "countries" that have a certain level of autonomy. The federal usurpation of states rights by citing the "commerce clause" is already near the breaking point of tolerance in a large number of venues.

    If you want gun control get on your hiking boots and cajole the 50 separate governments you need to create universal change.

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    That's a silly excuse, that really is no obstacle if the American people have the will.

     

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    What don't you grasp about the states determining the gun laws? It's not an excuse. Who do we have to explain our laws to, you? Podunk Canada?

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    How about the states shouldn't handle their own gun laws. States with tighter gun laws are besieged by illegal weapons bought legally in states with lax laws. The NRA loves this. They make sure the pipelines from the legal to the illegal markets remain open while at the same time using the amount of illegal weapons as a scare tactic to get people to buy more legal weapons. And thus the weapons industry continues to make money by the truckload.

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    Knock yourself out trying to wrest control of gun laws from the states.

    Brilliant thinking though. We've got 12 million illegal aliens we can't keep out, but we can keep guns out once we get states to heel to a federal gun control mandate. Your gun logic is right in line with your football logic Rusty.

     

     

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