Re: Have the Patriots EVER had a Black Head coach or Starting / #1 back-up QB?
posted at 8/7/2009 7:51 PM EDT
I don’t think anyone accepted into Harvard law can be labeled as a moron (definition: stupid or lacking knowledge). Try an analogy that is actually relevant, my friend.
Yet Vick wasn't "accepted" into the Patriots organization, either! You claim that by merely being allowed in, Vick would become a cerebral QB. My point is that by merely allowing any moron into Harvard that will not make him magically gain intelligence! I think it is very relevant once you comprehend what I'm actually saying.
So because he runs around a lot on the field automatically means he can’t “read a defense, nor go through his progressions”, according to you?
I did not use that as a reason, I used it as evidence. After years of the Falcons coaching staff trying to teach him how develop his passing skills, he was still unable to do so. Most of his "big" plays were actually broken plays where he simply tucked the ball away and outran the defense.
I don’t think you’re qualified to dictate an individuals IQ nor are you acknowledging that football is a team sport.
Not sure what you are saying here! Nobody "dictates" anyone's IQ, it is what it is. And in my opinion, after seeing him play, his lack of improvement, and listening to him speak in interviews, I come to the conclusion that he's not the brightest bulb on the tree! And how does evaluating an individual's aptitude or performance have anything to do with acknowledging football is a team sport? Please, in the future use some coherent arguments!
Try addressing factors other then is running ability to really give credit to your argument.
I have stated many reasons why I believe Vick is not a good QB, it seems that you either cannot or will not acknowledge them. If you need a refresher course, please go back and reread all my posts on this subject.
Slave owners were racist and they had blacks around. If you think about it, the players are actually the "slaves" of the NFL.
I get your point, and it is valid to a certain extent. Though I never heard of any slave getting paid a nine figure contract, though!!!
Sorry, I had to put that in!
Manning didn’t go from a good QB to a great one without all aspects (Offense/Defense/Special Teams) of his football team performing at a high level. Brady doesn’t turn from a 6th round draft pick to a 3x super bowl winning QB in the NFL without his team performing at the same level.
Manning went 3-13 as a rookie. After that he has had his team in the playoffs almost every single season. And the defense and special teams have not been amongst the best for the Colts. That is a contributing factor to the fact they have only been to one SB in Manning's career. And even if Brady hadn't won three SBs, he would still be a great QB. This came from studying the playbook, spending extra time in the filmroom, and listening to his coaches. All of that had nothing whatsoever to do with any of the other 52 players on the team. We are not talking about the success of the team, we are talking about the development of an individual player.
QB’s in the NFL don’t complain to their GM’s for better talent around them if they are a great QB’s to begin with who can win championships on their own
Obviously you've never heard of Peyton Manning! Also, a lot of QBs have restructured their contracts to allow their teams to sign better players. And the Falcons were not the Lions or the Raiders. Don't forget, they did make it to the NFCCG in 04. You are merely using excuses for his inability to develop as a QB. Even after using his athletic ability to evade the rush, he still could not consistently get the ball to his receivers.
But if you are the type of fan who is scared of the protest of PETA or fans by all means let them dictate the business decisions of your team.
Again, you do not read my posts or simply do not comprehend them. My only comment was that the team did not need the distraction that any such protests (and the media barrage) would bring. My biggest reason for opposing Vick coming to Foxboro is my belief that he is not intelligent enough to run the offense they run in Foxboro.
If you want argue against MV, fine, you are entitled to your opinion. But when some want to argue against Vick because he runs to much, his childhood upbringing, the way he carries himself (to some as a “gangsta” or “thug”), or question his intelligence without even knowing the man, to mention just a few, then some might think that race is a factor in your argument. But if you argue against MV based on his football career and the team that he played for then that’s another story.
If having my opinion is "fine", why the attack in multiple posts quoting me? The only mention I made of his upbringing was to essentially agree that it could be argued that growing up in poverty might have something to do with his off field acts. While I don't condone them, I understand that many such people raised in the "ghetto" may be bitter at authority, and this might have some validity in defending such actions (or at least the reasoning behind them). And I do not need to know someone personally to have an opinion on their intelligence. You can look at their actions and listen to their words and get some sort of idea! As far as I know Vick could have an IQ of 150! But it's my opinion from watching him play that he does not translate that so well into playing the QB position. Again, it's my opinion, which you say I have a right to. But if I spell out all my reasons as well as I have over the last couple weeks and you still think my opinion is based on race, then I have to question your intelligence, or your motives. For anyone who believes that any slight to a person of color is racially motivated to me is a racist themselves! Again, if Vick was a white man I'd still say his football IQ was lacking, I wouldn't want him on my favorite team, and I think he should be banned for his heinous acts! I cannot make it any clearer than that! My argument is based solely on his track record in the NFL (for this thread, at least). I despise his off the field actions as well, and wouldn't want him in Foxboro even if he had a lifetime passer rating of 100+. But that is a totally different subject which was thouroughly discussed on a few other threads.