Re: Historically a strong draft?
posted at 2/15/2012 11:30 AM EST
In Response to Historically a strong draft?
[QUOTE] Every NFL draft develops an identity of its own and this draft is no exception. The strength of this draft appears to be in the "front 7" as well as the receiving corps. It has been suggested that some rare talent could be acquired and these supposed "sure bets" require only the COMBINE numbers for confirmation. As regards the Pats, Kraft himself sounded excited that the Pats had TWO 1st and TWO second round selections where the pickings seem especially intriguing. What exactly are the rumors suggesting? Is it QUANTITY or QUALITY that's generating the enthusiasm? We recognize that a premiere QB or two might change a franchise's future and that the Offensive line has some very choice selections. With the new rules being so favorable for the receivers perhaps good prospects now look even better? Is it the depth (or lack of separation between players) that's so confounding the gurus or are we truly about to witness the cusp of greatness in this draft class? As for defensive linemen, are we buoyed by "potential" more than performance or stats or is it the measurables (size/speed/athleticism) that seem so different? Is this draft as special as some would have us believe?
Posted by moskk[/QUOTE]moskk
Good thread moskk... To let'cha know in advance, I'm one of the select number of freaks on here whom follow the draft 365 each year, and actually and trully enjoy the NFL Draft far more than lesser pro ball things....like the superbowl for instance. Within your greater point, indeed each year's draft IS it's own unique beast, Always...some are great & some are pretty poor & lacking (both as a whole and as it pertains to lone positional specifics), -with also all drafts being anywhere and everywhere in between and varying...
Just as There are those whom say that us draft nvts ALWAYS say each and every upcoming NFL Draft is an excellent one, Likewise There is also those who posit that Bill Belichick, NE's FO, and their slew of College scouts and college inside connections, ARE- and Should BE looked upon as being lightyears ahead of any layperson fan's own scouting takes (no matter how thorough...and year-long), NE's own coaches being as it were, nearly infallible with regards to targeting good and or great college-pro prospects... Both of these sentiments, Are at best small-minded, and at worst are simply untrue en masse.~~~
: The 2012 NFL Draft
Haven't been posting alot the past few weeks, but give yourself a +1, considering the only thing which made me sign back in to post right here & now, was the exceptionally true accuracy of 1 exacting take you purported: That is, the depth of the D-Line in this class (and by D-Line, I mean any and all positions within that framework: 4-3 DT, 4-3 DE, DT/DE 'tweeners such as 3-4 DEs, collegiate DE 'tweeners whom can transitions towards being a Pro 3-4 OLB). Yes...This specific class, IS exceptionally deep at these greater and entire D-Line groupings. Very deep. Cool thing is (and I've made mention on this some time ago), that the ILB class is exceptionally talented and deep as well... A better gauge, would be to say those ILB collegiate draftees whom (in the past) would be targeted as being 3-4 Strongside ILBs, size-wise at least... Cool thing here RE: these ILBs, is that they're size + the giftedness of their athleticism does NOT make it so that these fellas HAVE to be pinpointed as upholding only that SILB ideal, good and moreso-bad (i.e. skill-sets that are lacking in that spot-speed, pass-rushing and pass-defense capabilities).~~~In respect towards the quality of groupings of a given Draft Class itself
As a Draft Class on whole, In order to make it easier to diagnose each classes themselves, The simple thing I do is first and foremost weigh the two (maybe 3) types of players you might be able to garner from each class... First, those with and the chance to offer- Elite pro skill & ability on the big-stage... Here, Sometimes classes peter-out on these "potential game-changers", "could-be stars", "team core captains (etc)" as early as anywhere around the 12-18 range in Rd #1, and yet sometimes draftees with this uniquely talented skills can go as far into the first 2-12 selection spots of Rd #2 (see last year, 2011). Like I said, the drop-off can begin anywhere in between as well. Unfortunately, in this 2012 class, It IS VERY shallow in terms of true elite quality pro-bowl/stud potential NFL depth as an entire class...the former (12-18 Rd 1 range), being almsot exact in this unfortunate respect this time around. BUT
, there is also that second-tiered depth to consider & weigh (see as a generalized ideal: targets whom CAN be decent & solid starters...just maybe not those elite, game-changers): This range begins wherever those elite guys tail off, and then rages ("can range"), anywhere as early to the very bottom-most of Rd 2-very early Rd 3, and/or these targets can even at times go as deep as even all the way through Rd 3...AND Rd 4, and even into the very first few selections of Rd #5... Oftentimes classes aren't this deep here, YET just go back and take a look at the incredibly deep "starter-type" talent afforded in the 2010 Draft Class, to see that this DOES happen (albeit rarely). Again, the tail end, can and does fall anywhere in between... This one? Not bad...MUCH, much better (far more noticeably so), at certain positions over and above others, but as a whole, say abouts the mid-way range of Rd #3 for prospects who can offer this ideal (give or take...but I'd skew a little towards the bottom 1/3rd of Rd 3). After that? A: Fillers...Draftees wherein you either hope your scout nailed a guy many have overlooked, or wherein your smartest bet is to wisely target much better players whom have fallen due to final collegiate year injuries, questionable (but not blindly awful) character/"intangible" shortcomings, and/or draftees within specific college shortcomings (ex: coaching/schematic shifts, big depth factor at positions from their program), and/or even bad combine performances leading to ad hoc conclusions on their game-playing skills based on running in shorts against a stop-watch on a trackfield (rather than their actual game-tape)...These are guys ya look for here (as a best bet to "hopefully" have a better chance of making it).~~~
Some other positions to weigh within this 2012 NFL Draft Class
: Wow...h0ly sh#t, Bad. So bad in talent and depth (yea...BOTH undoubtedly first Safety, AND then even CB too)- so bad, that'cha actually exclaim, "H0ly sh#t this positional talent svx!" THAT bad. So bad that Safety Mark Barron is considered an "Elite Safety." He's not. He might turn out to be...but judging from everything offered up to the point of February 15th, 2012...he currently=AIN'T and Should Not Be. THAT bad. O-Line
: Yeaaaa.... THIS one DOES have certain guys (although few) whom can and certainly should be regarded as trully "Elite players": The topmost guys at these spots such as Peter Konz, and G David DeCastro. THESE guys are absolutely AS good as they get...E-ver. Yet, after those with "Elite" potentials & smart-betting probabilities, The O-Line quality falls pretty drastically and quickly. IF or when Konz or DeCastro makes it to #20-#22...yea- you spend an extra 4th Rder (or package 3rd rd future pick) in order to move up 8-10 spots in order to solidify an exceptionally sure-thing by nabbing either of those 2 guys.WR
: Opposite of O-Line...ZERO prospects worthy of garnering mid/3/4's through- 1st Round target selection worthiness: Taking Floyd outta Notre Dame=Dvmb, dvmb, dvmb, BAD bet-GREAT payoff scenario...don't play those odds, b/c they're just not smart. YET, in terms of those 2nd Rd "Starter" Quality skilled potential draftees...draftees whom are TRULLY worthy and should be viewed as those whom can be pretty d#mn decent starting wideouts=Yup...The WR spot is really pretty deep in this area. Starting with the first guy within THIS non-elite, but excellent quality starting potential in Mohammed Sanu (#1 worthiness, yet early 2nd rd grade for some reason). Several others (Kendrall Wright-literally several others here in this 2nd tiered worthiness area as very good starting potential) whom should be viewed as very wise pro starting quality on the heels after Sanu as well.RB
- Same as wideout imho... RBs have largely slipped due to the "NFL is a passing league mantra", so it's almost as if even those RBs with "Elite" potentials, slip to not even being taken until the last 1-2 picks of Rd 1, and the first picks of Rd #2 (the VERY best)- Miami's guy Lamarr Miller, & even someone of Trenton Richardson's abilities WILL fall much further than their own specific skills should say they should, due greatly to the current design and mindset of the 2012 NFL beliefs... As it relates to NE alone, this is a tough-call here: Woodhead and BJGE (Woodhead not 100% sure) ARE 2012 Free Agents...after that ya got Ridley and absolute-concern-to-be-injured Shane Vareen (and not just this past year only)...so???? Many other factors here too...BJGE's price-tag. Whether or not BB and McDaniels would actually decide to use the non-flashy, but absolutely acceptable BJGE in a way that isn't altogether !d!ot!c...1st and 10=95% run chance for BJGE (and everyone on D knows it)/ 2nd and 5 or more=5% run chance using BJGE. 3rd down and anything less than a single foot 1/2 of 1% run chance using BJGE. Great way to maximize your running game results fellas... Oh, also IF and when any NE RB who mighta had 6 4 yard (+) gains in a row, suddenly is stopped for no gain on any single play=The result? Oh, let's bench him for a drive or two (or the rest of the game)= So yea, IF NE's taking a RB...and even IF NE suddenly comes to the conclusion that they're gonna target some RB draftee of Elite quality ideal potentialities, THEN they might wanna first at least somewhat RE-consider how they use RBs and the running game on a whole and on the actual field of play...