Re: Holding the NFL Officials accountable
posted at 11/18/2009 6:59 PM EST
In Response to Re: Holding the NFL Officials accountable
[QUOTE] Since all of my other posts on this topic were erased, I'll bite. 1. How can you say he clearly had possession. Did you see an angle that was directly across from the play like the line judge had? If he was not qualified to make that call, who was? No one else could clearly see the point of possession and the location of the player at the time of possession better than that side judge. It was the Head Linesman, #24. You seem to think he could see the play, but clearly, he couldn’t. Who could see it more clearly? He knew that Faulk bobbled the ball. He was on the plane of the play. No camera angle or ref had a better angle than he. 2. You are wondering why officials did not discuss it? They did. Before they spotted it? No they didn’t. The videotape clearly shows that. What probably happened was the Head Linesman made the call thinking it could be reviewed by the Pats. Neither one of us can say what they were discussing. lets just leave that one alone. 3. Why didn't Belichick challenge the call? This is exactly the reason why they have replay - to challenge exactly such a play. As has been explained about 60 different times, he couldn’t because the Pats were out of timeouts. Otherwise, he would have. Rhetorical question, and poor game management by the pats to not have it available. Do you blame the refs for that, too? 4. How about the pats put the game out of reach by scoring a TD after intercepting Manning with 7.5 minutes to go instead of settling for a FG? Red herring. How about the refs get the spot correct. How about Belichick keep some TO's so he can challenge the call? Please explain how you know better than that side judge that they got the spot wrong. Mike Pereira already said that the spot would not be changed if a challenge was available because the replay angles could not adequately determine the location of the spot. 5. How about Brady throws the ball to a different receiver who's deep enough not to allow the call to be questioned? Did you see the pass rush? This is the only time in the game that Freeney actually got to Brady because Vollmer had to go for a linebacker. Brady had about .2 seconds to decide who to go to. He usually goes to Faulk or Welker. Welker would have been the hot read filling in the blitzoing LB, but his route also crossed with the Umpire. Brady made a good decision. The pass was caught. They got the first down. The refs blew it. Ok - so the pass rush is the refs fault, too? I said it before (but no one saw it) and I'll say it again. Belichick got exactly the game he wanted from those refs. The pats DB's were all over Colts receivers (again!!!!) beyond 5 yards and not a single call on them in the game for it. Not one. You are right. There were 2. One of the more disputed calls was the phantom PI call on Butler and there was another one earlier. And you fail to mention that the Colts defenders were doing the same to the Pats receivers. Funny how on the only times PI was called was on the Pats. Bethea mugged Moss in the endzone, but Moss caught it. There still should have been a flag. Every deep ball is a possible PI. I'd say the PI was questionable, but I can understand why it was called. In real time, it looks like the defender loses his footing as he is turning to the ball and falls into Collie who is trying to get the ball. I am not saying its right, but that's a 50/50 call without question. Could have gone either way. But since were discussing it, how come the colts never got one of those PI calls for holding receivers downfield. Did you know there was a hold on Welker's return? Watch the tape you'll see it. I also saw at least one Vollmer hold that wasn't called. Surprisingly no one here is mentioning these things. Did you think that the pats were the only ones that got jobbed? I'll say it again. Belichick got the game he wanted from the refs. This game is not even close to being the fault of the refs. The colts practically gave the game away to the pats. Posted by underdoggg[/QUOTE ] Yeah, nice spin. You know the Pats owned them for most of the game and that the Colts were handed the game wrapped in a bow by the refs. Not spin. Colts dropped multiple balls in the first half. drives were thwarted by stupid movement penalties at the line. Colts gave up 3 big plays in the which is very uncommon. Manning threw 2 ints that had absolutely nothing to do with the pats. One was a duck and the other was a QB/Receiver miscommunication. The colts dropped 2 int's. One would have been a pick six and I believe the other would have stopped a score (could be wrong). The pats were great and took advantage of every colt miscue. Here's the point - the colts won with a ton of places where they can be better and are. The pats played their best football and lost. Where do they improve?
Posted by underdoggg[/QUOTE]
OK, I'll bite on this one, where do the Patriots improve? How about Tom Brady not trying to force a pass to Moss when double covered for an interception? How about Maroney not fumbling on the goal line? How about the Patriots not start playing prevent defense with 10+ minutes to go in the 4th quarter? How about the Patriots continue to run their normal offense in the 4th after getting the 17 point lead, instead of clock killing when they don't have the offense, or the defense to do that right now?
Underdogg, if you are honest you'll admit you remember when I said in the 4th quarter after the Pats got the 17 point lead that they needed to try and extend it, they needed a killer instinct. They didn't use the killer instinct and they lost. If they had played to their strength in the 4th quarter, by running their normal offense and trying to extend the lead, to put their foot through the Colts throat, they would surely have won the game
Underdogg, I'll concede to you that I was very suprised in the first half with the amount of contact being allowed by the refs on receivers, while I didn't see any un called pass interference there were a couple of times I was surprised there wasn't any illegal contact penalties called
But that only makes the call on Butler even worse. Like every sport, the players adjust to the officiating during the game. How are you going to let that contact go, on both sides, and then call that ticky tack penalty in crunch time in the 4th quarter?
Underdogg, the Pats got screwed on both those late calls, if you were a fan you would agree. But I'm most frustrated that the Patriots let it get to that point in the first place.
Underdogg, don't fool yourself, the Patriots were the better team on the field in that game, and I feel very sure that the Patriots will win convincingly if the Colts/Pats meet in the playoffs. The Patriots have a long history of getting better as the season goes on, they will surely learn and improve from this game