How bad is steroids...

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    How bad is steroids...

    How bad is it in the NFL?

    IMO if the do testing like MLB we will find out that at least 75% will test positive making MLB look like child's play.

     
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    Totally true. I'm convinced that the number is closer to 90%-95% of NFL players are using some kind of PED(s), whether that be HGH, anabolic steroids, etc, etc.

     
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    In response to JimfromFlorida's comment:

    How bad is it in the NFL?

    IMO if the do testing like MLB we will find out that at least 75% will test positive making MLB look like child's play.



    if an athlete follows protocol, they are likely to go undetected.

     
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    In response to dreighver's comment:

    Totally true. I'm convinced that the number is closer to 90%-95% of NFL players are using some kind of PED(s), whether that be HGH, anabolic steroids, etc, etc.



    I agree, and have you ever seen some of these retired players? They look like they're 90 at 40.

     
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    Lets relook at the facts. HGH and steroids are miracle drugs that used under doctors supervision can be a huge benefit to the NFL in the recovery and comeback from injury and the usual week to week NFL grind. 

    If teams monitored usage safely, and not some underground supplier, players could greatly benefit.

    does "deer antler" extract have any adverse effects? Does I t really help? Did Ray Lewis come back from a potential season ending injury because of this extract? If he did, shouldn't the NFL be trying to help the players get healthier faster? 

    Prather than ignore the fact, hide it under the rug, or simply ban it, I prefer the NFL to embrace it to help players recover and comeback, as long as there are no adverse effects.

     
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    In response to rkarp's comment:

     

    Lets relook at the facts. HGH and steroids are miracle drugs that used under doctors supervision can be a huge benefit to the NFL in the recovery and comeback from injury and the usual week to week NFL grind. 

    If teams monitored usage safely, and not some underground supplier, players could greatly benefit.

    does "deer antler" extract have any adverse effects? Does I t really help? Did Ray Lewis come back from a potential season ending injury because of this extract? If he did, shouldn't the NFL be trying to help the players get healthier faster? 

    Prather than ignore the fact, hide it under the rug, or simply ban it, I prefer the NFL to embrace it to help players recover and comeback, as long as there are no adverse effects.

     



    If they did some thing like this might as well make it championship wrasslin.  I can see this med used to heal the player but not to help them come back in the season. 

     

    I bet you would have Drs that would make the players sign waivers so their not liable years down the road.  

     

     
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    If you have time google up his last interview with Roy Firestone.

    Matuzak(sp) Webster and others died from brain cancer as well

    Steroids also liked to heart issues such as deformations, strokes brought on by heart damage

    Other than that it's very safe......................

     

    http://espn.go.com/classic/biography/s/Alzado_Lyle.html

     
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    If you have time google up his last interview with Roy Firestone.

    Matuzak(sp) Webster and others died from brain cancer as well

    Steroids also liked to heart issues such as deformations, strokes brought on by heart damage

    Other than that it's very safe......................

     

    http://espn.go.com/classic/biography/s/Alzado_Lyle.html



    This isn't a story about steroid used properly and administer by a qualified doctor. It is a story of steroid abuse through an underground market.

    i won't bore you with how I have been on steroids ( inhaled) for 20 years to control my asthma. Correctly used, these are miracle drugs.  The NFL s/b figuring out how to properly use them. 

     
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    Go back to your Doctor for a full explaination that nasal steroids have nothing in common with Anabolic Steroids...gezzz I'm on nasal steroids myself.

    Safe dosage of Anabolic Steroids and HGH is like saying cyanide can be safe if administered safely.....

     
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    Consider this your Doctors visit....and I didn't even charge you a co-pay....

     

    http://www.ehow.com/how-does_5667885_steroid-nasal-sprays-work.html

     
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    Go back to your Doctor for a full explaination that nasal steroids have nothing in common with Anabolic Steroids...gezzz I'm on nasal steroids myself.

    Safe dosage of Anabolic Steroids and HGH is like saying cyanide can be safe if administered safely.....



    Who said anything about anabolic? Btw, my dosage is orally inhaled, not nasal. 

     

     
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    Dude....you can open your eyes and ears and learn.....or you can be obstinate...

    Read the article...nasal or oral....nothing in common with Steroids in sports.

     

     

    I hope you haven't been pumping iron all these years waiting for those "steroids" to work their magic?

    No results eh...oh well....at least you will live longer............

     
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    In response to NoMorePensionLooting's comment:

    Dude....you can open your eyes and ears and learn.....or you can be obstinate...

    Read the article...nasal or oral....nothing in common with Steroids in sports.

     

     

    I hope you haven't been pumping iron all these years waiting for those "steroids" to work their magic?

    No results eh...oh well....at least you will live longer............



    You can open your eyes as well and understand properly administered there are drugs available that can be a boon to player health

     
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    Anyone...advocating that that the NFL not only condone, but to oversee, the use of PEDS in the league.....is so...so..

    I can't even say it as it would get me a lifetime ban here................

     
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    I'm with rkarp on this. We're not talking about old school stacking of winstrol and dianabol and guys injecting themselves in the parking lot anymore like in Alzado's day. HGH, testosterone and the like are perfectly safe, taken by millions of men (who don't play pro sports) and have significant health benefits. Why shouldn't athletes take them under the supervision of a doctor?

    What if some player has an injury, why don't we want him to take the best stuff that is healthy and legal and will help him get back as quickly as he can? All under the care of a team doctor.  Why don't we want older guys to have longer careers? 

    Oh yeah, we're worried that Hank Aaron's records or Babe Ruth's records won't mean as much. Who cares? Progress happens, get over it. Competition is better than it was in the 1920s. Babe Ruth never faced left handed relief specialists who threw 98 mph, or split-fingered fastballs or black or hispanic athletes. His records should have an asterisk.

     

     
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    I don't have any problem with the proper use of drugs in sports to alleviate medical problems. The issue is that there is a reason for the 'PED' designation as in performance enhancing. And saying administered by a doctor doesn't mean much - there are always people on the fringe of the medical profession who stretch the limits for financial gain.

    We know that steroids are used to build muscle mass and increase speed, both factors in increased violence in collisions. And overuse can lead to all kinds of bad medical results. The differance between an NFL contract and working at Walmart might be 10 lbs of muscle mass or an extra step so the immediate benefit to an athlete is huge and the incentive is there to misuse. I think it is the responsibilty of the 'authorities' to try and police sports and the only way is to ban them outright.

    On HGH and deer antler and ... - there results of using are a little more unknown. I don't have a problem with an injured player using medicine to heal and I think there might be more leeway in the policing in those situations.

     
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    In response to NoMorePensionLooting's comment:

    Dude....you can open your eyes and ears and learn.....or you can be obstinate...

    Read the article...nasal or oral....nothing in common with Steroids in sports.

     

     

    I hope you haven't been pumping iron all these years waiting for those "steroids" to work their magic?

    No results eh...oh well....at least you will live longer............




    Wow, way to jump to unsupported conclusions! How can you expect anyone to respect your opinions when you always do this? You should also learn to educate yourself as you are telling rkarp to do and stop being so ignorant.

     
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    In response to rtuinila's comment:

    In response to NoMorePensionLooting's comment:

     

    Dude....you can open your eyes and ears and learn.....or you can be obstinate...

    Read the article...nasal or oral....nothing in common with Steroids in sports.

     

     

    I hope you haven't been pumping iron all these years waiting for those "steroids" to work their magic?

    No results eh...oh well....at least you will live longer............

     




    Wow, way to jump to unsupported conclusions! How can you expect anyone to respect your opinions when you always do this? You should also learn to educate yourself as you are telling rkarp to do and stop being so ignorant.

     




    Is this a real post? You are kidding right? Hyperbole much?

    Now you went and got your panties all bunched up......

     
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    I'd agree with using the antler spray and HGH but only if it was found to do no damage at all to the user otherwise making a drug that actually hurts the user in the long term would be very unethical. I'd also have the condition that the drug can only be used to the point of the injury being healed. I'll never be happy with the use of anabolic steriods as a way of getting ahead, it's a level playing field only under 2 conditions:

    1) Everyone on drugs
    2) Everyone Clean

    If you're on steroids and you're not supposed to be it's cheating, it has to be. Any unfair advantage used is cheating. Ray Lewis is clearly or was clearly on something to get his arm ready to playin time otherwise it's just an impossibility, it can't be done. It's not like AP coming back from his ACL early it's like AP coming back twice as fast again say if he had been ready to play in July. Terrell Suggs also must have almost certainly cheated when coming back from his Achilles, i'm not being cynical because they're ravens either it's because they went ahead and took the pi ss out of the league. It's like 2 kids who've done something bad who run away from the evidence but leave it for everyone to see, it's only a matter of time before the truth comes out. I mean Ray Lewis is 37.....COME ON!!

     
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    I would like the sport, all sports, to be clean. Besides, you can find just as many experts who say it can't be administered safe as those who say it can.

    We already know that the users in the 60's and 70's are dying. Took 20 years or so but it's happening.

    In 20 years you will find out if this new crop of "safe" users was indeed correct. Big chance to take though isn't it?

    Plus, as a preveious poster pointed out, you think a League or a Team is going to expose themselves to a liabilty suit if it turns out the "new" stuff wasn't all that safe either?

    Dying players, or dead players familys would include the Leage and the players team in a lawsuit that would cost millions.

    The league can not, and will not, go there.....

    I'll be right back, I need a good snort of my steroid spray.................

     
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    Steroids, HGH... any PEDs are simply technological advancements. It would be silly to completely ignore them, label those who use them as 'cheaters', and attempt to ban them.

    I have no problem with the NFL banning HGH... I think you'll see a lot of guys around the league shrink down and it'll make the game safer... players will look like they did 10-20 years ago. 

    With that said, to act like PEDs are some horrific act of cheating... complete nonsense. They're technological advancements and I have no problem with players using them.

     
  22. You have chosen to ignore posts from NoMorePensionLooting. Show NoMorePensionLooting's posts

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    In response to dreighver's comment:

    Steroids, HGH... any PEDs are simply technological advancements. It would be silly to completely ignore them, label those who use them as 'cheaters', and attempt to ban them.

    I have no problem with the NFL banning HGH... I think you'll see a lot of guys around the league shrink down and it'll make the game safer... players will look like they did 10-20 years ago. 

    With that said, to act like PEDs are some horrific act of cheating... complete nonsense. They're technological advancements and I have no problem with players using them.




    Watch out....the slippery slope is a funny thing.

     

    So how do you handle PED's that are being used not to enhance one's performance but to mask the use of Steroids or HGH substances?

    PEDS are "OK" but they mask Steroids or HGH so ergo everything slips in the back door?

    I do think your statement that banning HGH is interesting. The game may well end up being safer. Less injuries, less concusions would be of great benifit to the game. And to the human eye the difference in the game would not even be noticed. hey it may even put an end to the ending things like the kick off and a host of other stupid ideas when banning the crap in the first place restore and keeps the game intact.

     
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    And those who have no problem with them - how about having doctors on the sidelines with syrnges of speed, so you can get your kick returned juiced just before the kick, or your WR juiced just before he runs a fly route?

    Cause that is basically what you are saying.

     
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    Steroids taken for an extended period of time also can cause:

    • stunted growth in teens (by causing bones to mature too fast and stop growing at an early age)
    • liver tumors
    • abnormal enlargement of the heart muscles
    • violent, aggressive behavior and mood swings
    • blood lipid abnormalities that contribute to heart disease
    • acne (or a worsening of acne)
    • increased breast growth in males, especially teens
    • irreversible stretch marks
    • a heightened tendency for hair loss and male-pattern baldness
    • muscle aches

    Yes sir let every one take them

     
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    How about the team administering the HGH until the player is ready to return to the field, i. e. the player is healed.

    if the player is found to be taking from any other source than the team, the player is suspended for the year with out pay.

    the idea is to heal or recover faster to play, but once ready to play, the enhancer is stopped. 

     

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