If you were the pats Gm...

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    If you were the pats Gm...

    If i was the pats GM (BB in this case) i would offer the carolina Panthers the 2011 1st round pick we received from the Raiders for Johnathan Stewart.

    He is a beast. They already have  Deangello Williams who many people believe is a top 5 running back in this league. I know Stewart is young and a huge asset to the panthers, but their is a price for every player. A team with a big question mark in the quarterback position and also lacking a receiving threat opposite of steve smith, they might be interested in a 1st round pick.

    It was once believed that the raiders 1st round pick would be a sure-fire top 5 pick but they looked very improved this year and now it seems like their 1st round pick will land around the 12-15 range. I think BB will be getting good value in this trade.

    Stewart is the horse in the backfield we have lacked since corey dillon AND hes young!

    What realistic/logical moves would you wanna make?
     
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    I agree with you that the pick no longer looks top 5 or maybe even 10 but I wouldn't give it up for a running back unless he was an unhappy superstar (Peterson, Brown, Rice etc). Good running backs can be found anywhere in the draft (Curtis Martin was a 3rd or 5th rounder if I remember correctly). If there going to trade this pick for an active player lets make it for someone who plays defense. Especially someone who can get at the quarterback.

     
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    Bad idea, first Stewart isnt worth a top ten pick, which still could be a top 5 pick. I mean what basis do you have for the Raiders making that jump? Russell is Al's boy and will be back at starting QB next year. No way its not a top ten pick . Stewart is not worth a first round pick, very few backs are. AD, CJ, ok Ill but them, but Stewart hasnt shown he can carry the load for an entire season and has had some injury problems that could linger. I give up a 3 for him, but thats it. Every year teams get backs in the 2nd, 3rd, 4th round that come in and have a big impact, so why give up a number 1? Thats one of the worst ideas Ive heard this year. Plus your assesment of pass rushers is way off, ok you have Matthews, and Cush, but Orakpo only came on very late and his stats are misleading just like TBC. They both had 4 sacks in one game. And something you failed to point out was while their are the Matthews and Cush's out there, what about Maybin, Ayers, Goulston, English, Curry, Jackson and Long. All were projected olb's and all have either been bust or have really fell short of what was expected of them. And I really dont think this years class is much more impressive then years past. Im glad your NOT the Pats GM.
     
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    I would hire BB to make all the decisions.
     
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    Re: If you were the pats Gm...

    In-house free agents:
    #1 - Extend Vince Wilfork
    #2 - Extend Logan Mankins
    #3 - Extend Stephen Gostowski
    #4 - Check the price tag on Tully Banta-Cain
    #5 - Check the price on Leigh Bodden
    #6 - Check the price on Gary Guyton

    Outside Players
    #1 - See if Marcus McNeill hits the market
    1b - See if Jahri Evans hits the market (Saints Pro-Bowl guard)
    (if you got both, you could gear the team towards running)
    #2 - Make a serious play for Chester Taylor to be your feature back
    2b - Make a pitch to Leon Washington if he's available (CBA)
    2c - Make a pitch to Jerrius Norwood as change-of-pace / returner
    (if Washington isn't available)
    #3 - Make a serious run at Julius Peppers to be your DE/OLB of the future
    3b - See if Jason Taylor is still interested in playing for the Pats
    #4 - Make a run at Darren Sharper
    #5 - See how much it would take to acquire Anquan Boldin
    #6 - See if Malcolm Floyd hits the market (CBA?)
    #7 - See if D'Qwell Jackson hits the market
    #8 - Check the price on Dunta Robinson
    8b - check the price on Fabian Washington
    8c - check the price on Carlos Rogers
    #9 - See if Josh Cribbs is available
    #10 - Check the price for Owen Daniels
    10b - make a play for Tony Scheffler
    10c - make a play for Anthony Fasano
     
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    Patsfan I'm not saying they don't need running back help i'm just saying it's more available in the draft at lower rounds than many other positions so I would not trade a first rounder for it unless it was for a great player. I was thinking of an Eric Dickerson type player. The Rams traded him because he was unhappy with the Rams in the mid 1980's. The Rams were superbowl contenders back then and the colts were not (he did help the Colts make the playoffs one time). If an Adrian Peterson type player were to hold out or demand a trade, by all means let's risk our potentiel top 10 pick for him, otherwise as your post stated lets draft a Matthews or an Orapko. Corey Dillon was a great player, I don't recall him costing a number 1 pick. Stewart is a good player and very young still so if the Patriots could get him I would consider it an improvement, but I don't believe the teams main problem was their running backs. Maroney seems to be in and out of Belichek's doghouse so much I'm not sure if he will ever get enough carries to earn his first round draft status. It also seemed that the Patriots always abandoned the run in the second half in close games except for the highly predictable draw play. In 2008 the Pats were commited to the run and they were amongst the leagues best running teams. What I'm trying to get at is unless he's great (Stewert's good) save the pick for defense and if you have to trade it the Pats have bigger needs than running back right now. The pass rush is awful and we'll be playing Manning, Rivers, Roethlisburger, Rodgers and maybe Brett Favre next year. That's quit a murderer's row if you consider Chad Henne lit the Patriots up earlier this year.  
     PS- The Panthers' quarterback might not be so bad. In the Pats game he was awful but against a great Vikings defense he was very good. He was also good against the Saints and Giants going down the stretch. If he had played the whole season they might have made the playoffs.
     
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    From everything I've read on propects Toby Gerhart is projected to go in the 2nd or 3rd round.  We have three 2nd round picks.  I would just as soon take a chance that he would still be on the board when we pick in that round and preserve our 1st round pick for someone who could impact the defensive front 7.  Just a thought
     
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    Here's what needs to go down.

    Resign Wilfork,Mankins, and Gostkowski are musts.

    I'd resign Bodden if the money wasn't crazy like a 3-4 million range tops. I'd do the same with Banta Cain at around 2 Million if he goes for it but I expect the market to be higher since he had a productive season as our best pass rusher. Guyton needs to bulk up but could be had for a cheap deal so your better off resigning him since he's still young.

    I'm not sure how the free agency thing is gonna go for most players but if these free agents aren't restricted then I'd make a play for them.

    OT McNeil is interesting but I'm sure SD will lock him up. If we could get a good RT in free agency I'd consider moving Vollmer to LT while Cutting Matt Light's contract since he's become a average LT at best making big bucks. We also need to sign a quality RG to replace Neal which has declined and is about to retire anyway.

    For the running back situation I'd look into seeing if the Raiders would wanna trade Micheal Bush for a late 3rd or 4th since they have a crowded backfield with McFadden as their top back and Fargas that they like. Bush averaged about 5 yards a carry for a bad Oakland team with a bad QB so he'd definitely fit the bruiser role here while still being in his prime.I'd also definitely try to draft a versatile HB if a potentially great one is available with one of our 2nd round picks.

    I'd try to sign Peppers to a contract to improve our terrible pass rush as well. He might be looking for big bucks but they could probably work something out that's not too crazy.

    For TE's I'd try to sign Scheffler as our Recieving TE since he actually has reliable hands unlike speed demon Watson with no cutting ability. I'd also consider signing Fasano as our blocking TE that has Receiving ability as well to round out the TE's. If you could get both TE's I'd cut Baker for money reasons.

    I know we are cutting Adalius Thomas for obvious reasons so we'd have to sign or draft 2 young quality OLB's with one of them having the skill set to rush the passer effectively. If Crable gets hurt a 3rd season in a row then he's pretty much done and should consider playing flag football.
     
    At WR I'd look at possibly getting Cribbs if he could be had for the right price since Cleveland burned the bridge with offering him 1 Million which is a slap in the face for his ability. If you could get him for 3-4 Million range to be your explosive Returner and potential 3rd WR then I jump on that with how important Special Teams are. If you can't sign him then I'd try to find some kind of reliable possession receiver with sure hands that isn't afraid to go over the middle unlike Moss. I'm thinking a guy in the mold of a Jericho Cotchery type that moves the chains and can beat single coverage unlike Aiken.

    For our CB situation we need to sign at least 1 veteran CB that can actually play unlike Springs which we should release. If we lose Bodden then we'd have to sign 2 CB's. I like Butler to become the starter in his 3rd year but I'm not sure if he'll be ready to become our 2nd CB this upcoming season. You could roll the dice if they get some big help with drafting and signing a couple pass rusher specialists. Wilhite is awful but you still have to hold some hope for him since he's still young and can still improve. Wheatley is as good as dead even though he was a 2nd round pick since he can't seem to stay healthy.

    These are just my opinions and hopefully the Pats can get an impact player with their 1st rounder this year. It has to be a pass rushing DE or OLB unless they think Spiller would drop and felt he is the next big time RB in this class but I doubt it.






     
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    I would go to BDC forums for advise as to what to do...
     
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    paparui,  Bodden will never sign that low.  ANY decent (and by that I dont even mean good) CB wont sign that low.  Bodden turned down 4 mil a year last year to play for less to get more THIS year.  MAYBE if we are lucky we can sign Bodden for 5-5.5 mil a year on a 4-5 yr deal.  CB prices are high and through the roof
     
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    Patsfan24-7, No way I would trade that raiders 1st for Stewart in a year with a very very deep RB draft class.  I think Stewart is very good and have him on my fantasy football team, but he isnt worth the raiders pick.

    To the person who said to pick up Peppers as our OLB of the future.  He is 29 going to be 30. So HELL no to that one.
     
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    I would look at free agents and the draft and make sure I got

    A great OLB

    A great Offensive lineman

    The rest of the holes can be filled fairly easily in my opinion.  Those 2 positions are in dire need of top tier talent.
     
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    Jerry Hughs will be Drafted in April. The Pats are still holding out that either Tate or Edelman will become the #3 receiver. Offense and defensive lines will dominate our draft this year including a TE.I would love to see the Pats go after CJ Spiller, I just think BB knows he either needs Hughs,Kindle, or Odrick. After free agency we will know more about the direction this team is heading into the Draft.
     
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    Jonathan Stewart in foxborough FTW!!
     
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    Patsfan24-7

    "'i would hire BB to make all the decisions"

    thats problably a wise move, from reading your posts anyone can easily observe your lac (sic) of football knowledge."

    So, does that mean you think you could do better running the Pats than BB can? Interesting. How many NFL teams have bid for your services over the years?
     
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    You could probably go 5 mil on Bodden depending on the moves they make but anything higher would be overpaying him for just being a solid CB.
     
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    Paparui, have you seen the CB contracts lately.  CBs that wouldnt start on our team are getting more than that.  That is a very over priced position even for average talent. 
     
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    I've seen some of the contracts for the top CB's on the market. Do you think Bodden is really worth 6+ Million per year? I could understand if he was the top CB on the market but I honestly don't know if he's the top available CB. If the market is that bad then maybe the Pats need to draft a CB. I'd only pay top money to a shutdown CB's and Bodden is not one.
     
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    After watching Brady get totally abused because the O line couln't protect him, and watching Manning carve up the Ravens because his o line could, it seems to me they need to concentrate on the O LINE.  What good is a great defense if the offense can't put up points because our franchise QB is on his butt.  and how good can the running game be if he can't get the blocks he needs to make some gains. Every team in the NFL knows how to beat the Patriots--get after Tom Brady--it started in the SB and continued all this season.
     

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