Improve upon or replace which Current positions or players

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    Just going down the current team and deciding where improvements can be done, assuming all are signed.

     

    1) Safety.   I believe Harmon and DMC are ok but Gregory should be replaced and if T Wilson cannot compete then 2 additional players are needed. Player needs to hit and tackle.

    2) CB...  L Ryan can play...Talibe can play.. Den nard can play but wish he was bigger. Arrington is only decent at slot coverage.. One bigger DB should be picked maybe 2.

    3) LB.    Mayo.   Hightower. Collins should be good..but don't know if there are any players to challenge them

    4) DE.  Nink is average at best ( gives you what he's got but is still limited) improvement is needed).. C Jones is fun to watch and will get better.  BUT who can challenge them? Upgrade is needed.

    5) DT.. Can we be honest and forget all the love, but both VW and Kelly are getting old and Vince must have been 360 lbs last year.  Both starters have been injured..  Jones was a surprise and I think improved over the year (has upside).  Silinga has upside and a year in weightroom should make him better,  the rest need to be replaced or significant improvement shown

    6) OL.. Solder was up and down ( mostly up).   Volmer was steady and played well.. Cannon showed that he can play. Svitek was serviceable.   Upgrade needed??

        G. C. G needs to be addressed bigtime..Mankins causes me most confusion because be excels. At run blocking but really breaks down in pass blocking ay key times  who thinks he is worth that Cap Salary ???

    7). TE  2 are needed so if gronk is out, at least some of the pass plays can be done. Today almost none are tried with Holman or mulligan.

    8 WR .. Need 2 to challenge the young guys or win a job

    9 Rb      Will play the 3 or 4 there

    10.. QB  need 2nd one to replace Brady when it's time   ..anyone seen garapallo ???

     

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    Just going down the current team and deciding where improvements can be done, assuming all are signed.

     

    1) Safety.   I believe Harmon and DMC are ok but Gregory should be replaced and if T Wilson cannot compete then 2 additional players are needed. Player needs to hit and tackle.

    RESPONSE: Absolutely. But, let's stop hoping for miracles with Tevon Wilson. He was one of a long list of terrible BB top 100 draft choices. If BB does continue in his quest to "manufacture" a safety, then get a guy with some size. But, not in the first three rounds, please!!  

    2) CB...  L Ryan can play...Talib can play.. Dennard can play but wish he was bigger. Arrington is only decent at slot coverage.. One bigger DB should be picked maybe 2.

    RESPONSE: Talib is going to cost big money. Ryan looks like a good reserve, or a good nickel CB.

    3) LB.    Mayo.   Hightower. Collins should be good..but don't know if there are any players to challenge them

    RESPONSE: Consider letting Mayo and Spikes go for cap reasons. Hightower and Collins looked good this year.   

    4) DE.  Nink is average at best ( gives you what he's got but is still limited) improvement is needed).. C Jones is fun to watch and will get better.  BUT who can challenge them? Upgrade is needed.

    RESPONSE: Nink would be better as a situational player than a starter. He is the reincarnation of Mike Vrabel. The Pats need a DT more than they need a DE.

    5) DT.. Can we be honest and forget all the love, but both VW and Kelly are getting old and Vince must have been 360 lbs last year.  Both starters have been injured..  Jones was a surprise and I think improved over the year (has upside).  Silinga has upside and a year in weightroom should make him better,  the rest need to be replaced or significant improvement shown

    RESPONSE: Both Kelly and Vince (huge cap number) should be released. The Pats badly need quality help at this position.

    6) OL.. Solder was up and down ( mostly up).   Volmer was steady and played well.. Cannon showed that he can play. Svitek was serviceable.   Upgrade needed??

    RESPONSE: Can Vollmer stay healthy? The Pats must decide on him in the offseason. I'd love to see Cannon be moved inside to RG, where I believe that he would flourish. 

        G. C. G needs to be addressed bigtime..Mankins causes me most confusion because be excels. At run blocking but really breaks down in pass blocking ay key times  who thinks he is worth that Cap Salary ???

    RESPONSE: Center Ryan Wendell was terrible this year, and needs to be replaced. RG Dan Connelly is average at best, and should be upgraded. Pats should draft an OT to groom to replace the unreliable Vollmer...and move Marcus Cannon inside. 

    7). TE  2 are needed so if gronk is out, at least some of the pass plays can be done. Today almost none are tried with Holman or mulligan.

    RESPONSE: The Pats may try to trade or release Gronk. Though they could use help at TE, they have greater needs at SS, DT, and the OL.

    8 WR .. Need 2 to challenge the young guys or win a job

    RESPONSE: Brady will make do with whatever he's given to work with. Big decision on Julian Edelman. If the Pats don't sign him, look for him to go to the hated Jets.

    9 Rb      Will play the 3 or 4 there

    RESPONSE: No worries here...although the Pats could use another RB who can catch coming out of the backfield. BB made a huge mistake in letting Danny Woodhead get away.

    10.. QB  need 2nd one to replace Brady when it's time   ..anyone seen garapallo ???

    RESPONSE: Is Mallett the answer? I think not. Do the Pats consider trading Tom Brady to, say, Houston for their #1 overall pick...plus? I know...it's blasphemy. But Tom will be 37 next season. Y'all saw how old Peyton Manning looked in the SB. Is it time for the Pats to reload, or rebuild? Remember what happened to the Celtics when they hung on to the "Big Three" too long.  

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    Just going down the current team and deciding where improvements can be done, assuming all are signed.

     

    1) Safety.   I believe Harmon and DMC are ok but Gregory should be replaced and if T Wilson cannot compete then 2 additional players are needed. Player needs to hit and tackle.

    Agree, I woul look for a starting caliber player. I don't really see many via FA so I'd look draft in the first 2 dyas and possibly look to move Arrington to S. He is good against the run and coverage underneath but don't want him covering more than 10yrds away from the line.

    2) CB...  L Ryan can play...Talibe can play.. Den nard can play but wish he was bigger. Arrington is only decent at slot coverage.. One bigger DB should be picked maybe 2.

    I'd like to replace Talib honestly. I'm comfortable with Ryan and Dennard as #2/3 CB's but I have no faith Talib can last a season nor the post season. I'd rathr a slightly less talented player in DRC who can last a season. Though I wouldn't mind Talib with a s h ort term low guaranteed contract provided they get him a vet who can spot start

    3) LB.    Mayo.   Hightower. Collins should be good..but don't know if there are any players to challenge them

    Fletcher will be fine but still think we need another solid #5 LB who can play inside or out.

    4) DE.  Nink is average at best ( gives you what he's got but is still limited) improvement is needed).. C Jones is fun to watch and will get better.  BUT who can challenge them? Upgrade is needed.

    I think you underestimate Nink. It's easy to do as what he does best doesn't show up in stats. I'm perfectly fine with him as a starter but you can't have both Nink and Jones playing 95% of the time all season. They need proper backups and a pass rushing specialist when they need to get pressure and it's critical

    5) DT.. Can we be honest and forget all the love, but both VW and Kelly are getting old and Vince must have been 360 lbs last year.  Both starters have been injured..  Jones was a surprise and I think improved over the year (has upside).  Silinga has upside and a year in weightroom should make him better,  the rest need to be replaced or significant improvement shown

    Agreed we need a starting caliber DT and another solid spot starting backup

    6) OL.. Solder was up and down ( mostly up).   Volmer was steady and played well.. Cannon showed that he can play. Svitek was serviceable.   Upgrade needed??

        G. C. G needs to be addressed bigtime..Mankins causes me most confusion because be excels. At run blocking but really breaks down in pass blocking ay key times  who thinks he is worth that Cap Salary ???

    We need both a RG and C but I'm fine with Mankins as LG for another season

    7). TE  2 are needed so if gronk is out, at least some of the pass plays can be done. Today almost none are tried with Holman or mulligan.

    Agreed need a #1 type (at this point anything we can get out of Gronk is gravy but need a starter) and someone better than Mulligan as a 2nd backup

    8 WR .. Need 2 to challenge the young guys or win a job

    I wish I could say dump Amendola but that contract hurts. They need at least one solid vet (2 if you don't resign Edelman) and a legit RZ threat  

    9 Rb      Will play the 3 or 4 there

    need a proper 3rd down backup scat back as Vereen is most likely to get injured again

    10.. QB  need 2nd one to replace Brady when it's time   ..anyone seen garapallo ???

     

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         Here's an article on some of the big off-season decisions that the Pats will have to face: http://sports.yahoo.com/news/england-patriots-team-biggest-offseason-questions-163500407--nfl.html

     
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    I don't understand how I have to be the voice of reason when it comes to Ninkovich but the guy lead our team in QB pressures. He was 17th in the NFL for all players with 12 QB pressures(more then Julius Pepper,Jared Allen,any player on the SB champions,Mario Williams)  and still had 8 sacks ALL WHILE turning in the highest Profootballfocus.com rating for a DE against the run in the last 5 years of grading players.

    Amendola will fill the void left by Edelman and if he is hurt T.J Moe or another undrafted player(like Welker,Edelman who would be undrafted if we didn't take him,Danny and many other slot receivers are) will fill the void. Go after maclin on the cheap, Scott Chandler or Pita, I would say give Nicvks a shot but I think Dobson will have a better career then Nicks. 

    Adrian Wilson was the intimidating safety we needed but tore his achilles, find someone or move jamie Collins to safety as pats lifer suggested on the other thread talking about this same topic. Gregory actually played well this year but I would hate to dismiss too many undounfed theories from the OP.

    lastly if we move on from VW, draft a DT as early as possible and still go after Starks, Arthur Jones, or any of the other 5 FA veteran DT's who all look pretty good. I also like Dennard and Ryan as the CB's but would need depth and a challneger for a starting spot.(Cap Munnerlyn anybody, Grimes on the cheap? rogers cromartie?)

     
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    I don't understand how I have to be the voice of reason when it comes to Ninkovich but the guy lead our team in QB pressures. He was 17th in the NFL for all players with 12 QB pressures(more then Julius Pepper,Jared Allen,any player on the SB champions,Mario Williams)  and still had 8 sacks ALL WHILE turning in the highest Profootballfocus.com rating for a DE against the run in the last 5 years of grading players.

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    all of Nink's rushes were vs. single teams unlike Peppers, Allen or Williams whom get doubled weekly.

    dont get me wrong i think nink is good but over rated by some here. he had alot of coverage sacks if i recall correctly and does it matter about his run D? we ended up 30th vs. the run so he obviously wasnt making too big of a difference there either.

     
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    I don't understand how I have to be the voice of reason when it comes to Ninkovich but the guy lead our team in QB pressures. He was 17th in the NFL for all players with 12 QB pressures(more then Julius Pepper,Jared Allen,any player on the SB champions,Mario Williams)  and still had 8 sacks ALL WHILE turning in the highest Profootballfocus.com rating for a DE against the run in the last 5 years of grading players.

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    all of Nink's rushes were vs. single teams unlike Peppers, Allen or Williams whom get doubled weekly.

    dont get me wrong i think nink is good but over rated by some here. he had alot of coverage sacks if i recall correctly and does it matter about his run D? we ended up 30th vs. the run so he obviously wasnt making too big of a difference there either.

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    of course it matter about his run D. We were 30th because we lost Wilfork, Kelly and Mayo. We were gashed up the middle. Ninks rating is about indivudual performance against the 320 pound tackles he is oft up against. He dominated those battles. How could that not be important.

    If we had VW and Mayo we would have been top 10 against the run like always and would have seen more double teams going to the middle of the line, thus freeing up outside rushers and late blitzes. We would have forced the othe team into being one dimesnional(think the broncos regular season game) and this time had a stout secondary to make plays.  

    Regardless, saying a player who is bashed on this board all the time(like the OP)is underrated is the most confusing thing I've heard all day...other then babes normal BB slander.

     
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    They need another SS,DT,OG/C, CB,B/U QB, TE, and maybe another WR with size.  Amazing the same amount of draft choices the Patriots presently have. To early to speculate though we can guess at whom BB is looking at and like every other year we will be wrong!

     
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    They need another SS,DT,OG/C, CB,B/U QB, TE, and maybe another WR with size.  Amazing the same amount of draft choices the Patriots presently have. To early to speculate though we can guess at whom BB is looking at and like every other year we will be wrong!

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    every year....like death and taxes...it's inevitable....lol Laughing

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    I nailed the chandler jones pick....but its the only pick ive been right on.....ever.

     
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    Strong Safety

    Defensive Tackle

    Tight End depth

    Iinterior Offensive Line

    Linebacker depth (Mayo, Hightower, Collins look like a really good trio; not sure after that)

     

    I, too, like Nink.  The guy has a motor and plays well in this system.

     
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    They need another SS,DT,OG/C, CB,B/U QB, TE, and maybe another WR with size.  Amazing the same amount of draft choices the Patriots presently have. To early to speculate though we can guess at whom BB is looking at and like every other year we will be wrong!

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    every year....like death and taxes...it's inevitable....lol Laughing

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    I nailed the chandler jones pick....but its the only pick ive been right on.....ever.

    [/QUOTE] I have had maybe three picks right since BB took over and all three were just educated guesses. Vollmer was my best, AH was my worst as it turns out, Mayo was the only other guy I had right even though he did some trades to get into position. There have been several guys who should have been taken but alas I don't have any juice with the Patriots fron office. I  think the biggest disappointment he had was when he didn't grab Decker when he could have, and thusly he allowed Josh McD to steal him.


     
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    I don't understand how I have to be the voice of reason when it comes to Ninkovich but the guy lead our team in QB pressures. He was 17th in the NFL for all players with 12 QB pressures(more then Julius Pepper,Jared Allen,any player on the SB champions,Mario Williams)  and still had 8 sacks ALL WHILE turning in the highest Profootballfocus.com rating for a DE against the run in the last 5 years of grading players.

    Amendola will fill the void left by Edelman and if he is hurt T.J Moe or another undrafted player(like Welker,Edelman who would be undrafted if we didn't take him,Danny and many other slot receivers are) will fill the void. Go after maclin on the cheap, Scott Chandler or Pita, I would say give Nicvks a shot but I think Dobson will have a better career then Nicks. 

    Adrian Wilson was the intimidating safety we needed but tore his achilles, find someone or move jamie Collins to safety as pats lifer suggested on the other thread talking about this same topic. Gregory actually played well this year but I would hate to dismiss too many undounfed theories from the OP.

    lastly if we move on from VW, draft a DT as early as possible and still go after Starks, Arthur Jones, or any of the other 5 FA veteran DT's who all look pretty good. I also like Dennard and Ryan as the CB's but would need depth and a challneger for a starting spot.(Cap Munnerlyn anybody, Grimes on the cheap? rogers cromartie?)

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    I like Nink but in the AFCCG he and Chandler Jones combined for a grand total of 1 QB hurry all game!!!! Seattle had more than one hurry on their second series! That is why they won and we got blown out, no pressure on QB. Nink is best in a reserve roll, we need anoher quality starter next to C. Jones, and C. Jones needs to rest more so he dont fizzle out by the end of the season like he has the last two.

     
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    I don't understand how I have to be the voice of reason when it comes to Ninkovich but the guy lead our team in QB pressures. He was 17th in the NFL for all players with 12 QB pressures(more then Julius Pepper,Jared Allen,any player on the SB champions,Mario Williams)  and still had 8 sacks ALL WHILE turning in the highest Profootballfocus.com rating for a DE against the run in the last 5 years of grading players.

    Amendola will fill the void left by Edelman and if he is hurt T.J Moe or another undrafted player(like Welker,Edelman who would be undrafted if we didn't take him,Danny and many other slot receivers are) will fill the void. Go after maclin on the cheap, Scott Chandler or Pita, I would say give Nicvks a shot but I think Dobson will have a better career then Nicks. 

    Adrian Wilson was the intimidating safety we needed but tore his achilles, find someone or move jamie Collins to safety as pats lifer suggested on the other thread talking about this same topic. Gregory actually played well this year but I would hate to dismiss too many undounfed theories from the OP.

    lastly if we move on from VW, draft a DT as early as possible and still go after Starks, Arthur Jones, or any of the other 5 FA veteran DT's who all look pretty good. I also like Dennard and Ryan as the CB's but would need depth and a challneger for a starting spot.(Cap Munnerlyn anybody, Grimes on the cheap? rogers cromartie?)

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    I like Nink but in the AFCCG he and Chandler Jones combined for a grand total of 1 QB hurry all game!!!! Seattle had more than one hurry on their second series! That is why they won and we got blown out, no pressure on QB. Nink is best in a reserve roll, we need anoher quality starter next to C. Jones, and C. Jones needs to rest more so he dont fizzle out by the end of the season like he has the last two.

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    Quag blame that on the guy handling personal. They both played 95%+ snaps this season. How do you expected both to be productive in the postseason when they are worn out from playing the regular season? Where were their backups to spell them and give them some rest?

    True's right about Nink. We all want sacks and pressure and he was 2nd most on the tean for pressures and yet no one sees it because his pressures don't usually result in sacks for him. But, trust me he does have an effect. Now his pressures do come in single duty and they come in bunches but he's still a very effective starting DE because he's one of the better run stopping DE's in the league. It's just to bad the center of the DL was so poor in that regard. Combined he's a better all around starter then most give him credit for. However, I do wish they had a pass rushing specialist they can sub for him in obvious long down passing situations. Less then 5 or 1st down with the risk of run I believe Nink can provide some pressure if the QB drop backs but is most effective if they try to run or screen it. But they do need someone who over 5 yrds can just put his hand down and get to the QB with only a 4 man rush. I don't want to replace Nink just drop his snaps to 65% or so and get someone who can effective get pressure with only 3 others rushing with him. Then I think Nink will be fine in the postseason. 

     
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    I don't understand how I have to be the voice of reason when it comes to Ninkovich but the guy lead our team in QB pressures. He was 17th in the NFL for all players with 12 QB pressures(more then Julius Pepper,Jared Allen,any player on the SB champions,Mario Williams)  and still had 8 sacks ALL WHILE turning in the highest Profootballfocus.com rating for a DE against the run in the last 5 years of grading players.

    Amendola will fill the void left by Edelman and if he is hurt T.J Moe or another undrafted player(like Welker,Edelman who would be undrafted if we didn't take him,Danny and many other slot receivers are) will fill the void. Go after maclin on the cheap, Scott Chandler or Pita, I would say give Nicvks a shot but I think Dobson will have a better career then Nicks. 

    Adrian Wilson was the intimidating safety we needed but tore his achilles, find someone or move jamie Collins to safety as pats lifer suggested on the other thread talking about this same topic. Gregory actually played well this year but I would hate to dismiss too many undounfed theories from the OP.

    lastly if we move on from VW, draft a DT as early as possible and still go after Starks, Arthur Jones, or any of the other 5 FA veteran DT's who all look pretty good. I also like Dennard and Ryan as the CB's but would need depth and a challneger for a starting spot.(Cap Munnerlyn anybody, Grimes on the cheap? rogers cromartie?)




    wow, when are you gonna wake up dude?  You keep rushing in here with stats but cant answer why the guy dissapears in playoff games...  He is AVERAGE. He works his tail off but he is overwhelmed. BB likes to use his smart players too much and not put TALENT on the field. Thats Nink. Very smart ,fundmental but not a playmaker by any stretch when the lights come on.

    You think Adrian Wilson was a presence while here and think collins can move to safety??   Wow....  You need to get that homerism disease checked out. Nink aint gonna make any big sacks in any big games. Wilson aint gonna blow anyone up over the middle. We will be getting yet another safety in free agency making it hard to fill all the holes we have at C, G, WR, DT, DE,etc. Looks promising dont it?

     
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    I sure we wish we could have worked it out with Big John Abraham. The guy had a very good season, but I think he ended up with 4 to 5 mill guaranteed for 1 year? Great situational pass rusher that would have been a perfect fit with our needs.

    Do you think it is the GM's fault or the coaches fault that we kept Nink and Jones playing 95% of the snaps? I mean I'm sure we could have rotated Bucchanon or maybe dare I say a Bequette sighting? Gasp! They can't all suck!

     
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    I sure we wish we could have worked it out with Big John Abraham. The guy had a very good season, but I think he ended up with 4 to 5 mill guaranteed for 1 year? Great situational pass rusher that would have been a perfect fit with our needs.

    Do you think it is the GM's fault or the coaches fault that we kept Nink and Jones playing 95% of the snaps? I mean I'm sure we could have rotated Bucchanon or maybe dare I say a Bequette sighting? Gasp! They can't all suck!

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    It's the same guy so it doesn't really matter. The GM didn't give the coach enough talent at DE to make him want to rotate out and the coach didn't trust the guys the GM got enough to rotate them in and out.

     
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    I don't understand how I have to be the voice of reason when it comes to Ninkovich but the guy lead our team in QB pressures. He was 17th in the NFL for all players with 12 QB pressures(more then Julius Pepper,Jared Allen,any player on the SB champions,Mario Williams)  and still had 8 sacks ALL WHILE turning in the highest Profootballfocus.com rating for a DE against the run in the last 5 years of grading players.

    Amendola will fill the void left by Edelman and if he is hurt T.J Moe or another undrafted player(like Welker,Edelman who would be undrafted if we didn't take him,Danny and many other slot receivers are) will fill the void. Go after maclin on the cheap, Scott Chandler or Pita, I would say give Nicvks a shot but I think Dobson will have a better career then Nicks. 

    Adrian Wilson was the intimidating safety we needed but tore his achilles, find someone or move jamie Collins to safety as pats lifer suggested on the other thread talking about this same topic. Gregory actually played well this year but I would hate to dismiss too many undounfed theories from the OP.

    lastly if we move on from VW, draft a DT as early as possible and still go after Starks, Arthur Jones, or any of the other 5 FA veteran DT's who all look pretty good. I also like Dennard and Ryan as the CB's but would need depth and a challneger for a starting spot.(Cap Munnerlyn anybody, Grimes on the cheap? rogers cromartie?)

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    wow, when are you gonna wake up dude?  You keep rushing in here with stats but cant answer why the guy dissapears in playoff games...  He is AVERAGE. He works his tail off but he is overwhelmed. BB likes to use his smart players too much and not put TALENT on the field. Thats Nink. Very smart ,fundmental but not a playmaker by any stretch when the lights come on.

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    The whole team disappeared in that game, including our HOF QB, so if one game is an indicator of an entire seasons work, then I guess we really do suck as bad as you guys keep telling us we do. Luckily that isn't the real world.

     
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    I sure we wish we could have worked it out with Big John Abraham. The guy had a very good season, but I think he ended up with 4 to 5 mill guaranteed for 1 year? Great situational pass rusher that would have been a perfect fit with our needs.

    Do you think it is the GM's fault or the coaches fault that we kept Nink and Jones playing 95% of the snaps? I mean I'm sure we could have rotated Bucchanon or maybe dare I say a Bequette sighting? Gasp! They can't all suck!

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    now you are getting it. Its not NInks fault he is overwhelmed. YOu stated he dominates right tackles. Acutally HE gets dominated and then makes the occasional stop. Yes your two DEs should NOT be playing ALL the snaps with 3rd rounder bequette and the "steal" Buchanan. Talk to the coach but please dont try to sell the board that NInk dominates his matchups. He made NOT ONE SINGLE PLAY  in the Denver game after being out there for how many pass attempts?

     
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    I sure we wish we could have worked it out with Big John Abraham. The guy had a very good season, but I think he ended up with 4 to 5 mill guaranteed for 1 year? Great situational pass rusher that would have been a perfect fit with our needs.

    Do you think it is the GM's fault or the coaches fault that we kept Nink and Jones playing 95% of the snaps? I mean I'm sure we could have rotated Bucchanon or maybe dare I say a Bequette sighting? Gasp! They can't all suck!

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    It's the same guy so it doesn't really matter. The GM didn't give the coach enough talent at DE to make him want to rotate out and the coach didn't trust the guys the GM got enough to rotate them in and out.

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    "its the same guy so it doesn't really matter" 

    Amen pats eng, amen. I feel like BB should have rotated guys in more, especially Bucc, but imho Jones and Nink were doomed to fail with chris jones, vellano, and siliga(who's effectiveness was neutralized by manning just audibling to a pass when he was in the game)as the Dt's. You have VW and Kelly in there and our entire front 7 is 10x more effective imo.

     
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    I sure we wish we could have worked it out with Big John Abraham. The guy had a very good season, but I think he ended up with 4 to 5 mill guaranteed for 1 year? Great situational pass rusher that would have been a perfect fit with our needs.

    Do you think it is the GM's fault or the coaches fault that we kept Nink and Jones playing 95% of the snaps? I mean I'm sure we could have rotated Bucchanon or maybe dare I say a Bequette sighting? Gasp! They can't all suck!

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    now you are getting it. Its not NInks fault he is overwhelmed. YOu stated he dominates right tackles. Acutally HE gets dominated and then makes the occasional stop. Yes your two DEs should NOT be playing ALL the snaps with 3rd rounder bequette and the "steal" Buchanan. Talk to the coach but please dont try to sell the board that NInk dominates his matchups. He made NOT ONE SINGLE PLAY  in the Denver game after being out there for how many pass attempts?

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    Yeah he had the highest rating against the run in 5 seasons(5) but he was dominated by tackles. Sure dude.

     
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    I sure we wish we could have worked it out with Big John Abraham. The guy had a very good season, but I think he ended up with 4 to 5 mill guaranteed for 1 year? Great situational pass rusher that would have been a perfect fit with our needs.

    Do you think it is the GM's fault or the coaches fault that we kept Nink and Jones playing 95% of the snaps? I mean I'm sure we could have rotated Bucchanon or maybe dare I say a Bequette sighting? Gasp! They can't all suck!

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    It's the same guy so it doesn't really matter. The GM didn't give the coach enough talent at DE to make him want to rotate out and the coach didn't trust the guys the GM got enough to rotate them in and out.

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    "its the same guy so it doesn't really matter" 

    Amen pats eng, amen. I feel like BB should have rotated guys in more, especially Bucc, but imho Jones and Nink were doomed to fail with chris jones, vellano, and siliga(who's effectiveness was neutralized by manning just audibling to a pass when he was in the game)as the Dt's. You have VW and Kelly in there and our entire front 7 is 10x more effective imo.

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    Yep Wilfork and Kelly make a huge difference but you can't really count on either right now moving forward and you can't have your DE's playing 95% of the time all season. I put the lack of effective depth at both positions on BB shoulders as the last 2-3 years in the draft showed great DL pick ups available in the 20-90 range. I love he got Jones but still though going back to 11' that he needed to invest in a 2nd starting caliber DT in the draft for a future Wilfork replacement. Certainly would of helped this year if they had and might have made the difference. Just think if they decided to spend a little on Bryant instead of saving money on Fanene or went after a pass rushing specialist for strictly passing downs just to give Nink and Jones a rest every so often. It's why I'm not a fan of getting every big name on the market but do feel once or twice an offseason you do need to extend yourself slightly past market value on 1 or 2 younger higher talent guys if they fill a critical area of need.

     
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    I don't understand how I have to be the voice of reason when it comes to Ninkovich but the guy lead our team in QB pressures. He was 17th in the NFL for all players with 12 QB pressures(more then Julius Pepper,Jared Allen,any player on the SB champions,Mario Williams)  and still had 8 sacks ALL WHILE turning in the highest Profootballfocus.com rating for a DE against the run in the last 5 years of grading players.

    Amendola will fill the void left by Edelman and if he is hurt T.J Moe or another undrafted player(like Welker,Edelman who would be undrafted if we didn't take him,Danny and many other slot receivers are) will fill the void. Go after maclin on the cheap, Scott Chandler or Pita, I would say give Nicvks a shot but I think Dobson will have a better career then Nicks. 

    Adrian Wilson was the intimidating safety we needed but tore his achilles, find someone or move jamie Collins to safety as pats lifer suggested on the other thread talking about this same topic. Gregory actually played well this year but I would hate to dismiss too many undounfed theories from the OP.

    lastly if we move on from VW, draft a DT as early as possible and still go after Starks, Arthur Jones, or any of the other 5 FA veteran DT's who all look pretty good. I also like Dennard and Ryan as the CB's but would need depth and a challneger for a starting spot.(Cap Munnerlyn anybody, Grimes on the cheap? rogers cromartie?)

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    wow, when are you gonna wake up dude?  You keep rushing in here with stats but cant answer why the guy dissapears in playoff games...  He is AVERAGE. He works his tail off but he is overwhelmed. BB likes to use his smart players too much and not put TALENT on the field. Thats Nink. Very smart ,fundmental but not a playmaker by any stretch when the lights come on.

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    The whole team disappeared in that game, including our HOF QB, so if one game is an indicator of an entire seasons work, then I guess we really do suck as bad as you guys keep telling us we do. Luckily that isn't the real world.

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    If thats how you wanna look at it. Ive already said this is just entertainment. ONE ENTITY. so we can keep talking about when, but the easier thing would be to just call Goodell and ask him when we are gonna win again. I do believe Collins showed up in that game and if you think Brady didnt show up, you are the 2nd member of the Brady Bashing club. Congrats. He missed ONE pass. The rest of it was poor playcalling and lack of talent. Did you see what just happened to  Peyton  with all pro weaponry??  We are FAR away....but its fun winning the division. Atleast we got THAT.

    Thanks Mr. Kraft.

     
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    I sure we wish we could have worked it out with Big John Abraham. The guy had a very good season, but I think he ended up with 4 to 5 mill guaranteed for 1 year? Great situational pass rusher that would have been a perfect fit with our needs.

    Do you think it is the GM's fault or the coaches fault that we kept Nink and Jones playing 95% of the snaps? I mean I'm sure we could have rotated Bucchanon or maybe dare I say a Bequette sighting? Gasp! They can't all suck!

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    now you are getting it. Its not NInks fault he is overwhelmed. YOu stated he dominates right tackles. Acutally HE gets dominated and then makes the occasional stop. Yes your two DEs should NOT be playing ALL the snaps with 3rd rounder bequette and the "steal" Buchanan. Talk to the coach but please dont try to sell the board that NInk dominates his matchups. He made NOT ONE SINGLE PLAY  in the Denver game after being out there for how many pass attempts?

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    Yeah he had the highest rating against the run in 5 seasons(5) but he was dominated by tackles. Sure dude.

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    When you are 6'2" going against 6'8" tackles, YOUR LEVERAGE should be greater and you SHOULD be able to hold your ground and stop the run but you see the problem with this team and why we went home is PASS RUSH!  How did he do there vs Manning? Thats what I care about. Keep running around showing his RUN STATS. Im gonna just leave because obviously nothing is gonna change here. People have their opinions  locked into their heads and thats their choice. Im the one that needs to leave instead of forcing my opinon on others. My bad man. I wont even discuss Nink anymore.   I apologize for EVERY negative thing ive ever said about a player. I will blame the source from now on.

    Thanks BB

     
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    As much as this team would rather dismantle opposing defenses with surgical precision and put a "do your job" "bend-but-don't-break" defense on the field, I think it needs a influx of guys who can change the mentality on both sides of the ball.  Whether it's an O lineman who brings the nasty mentality, a Rodney-esque saftey or a Cox-esque linebacker who is gonna make guys keep their head on a swivel, I don't know.  Not saying they haven't had these guys, but they need more of them.  Granted, they have to be able to play a lick too.  

    I really hope they can build on what they did in the running game last year.  Blount and Develin were a start. Maybe if the could add a gamer like Boldin to the WR core.  On D, someone like a Bernard Pollard.  Probably not him but someone like him.   

    Maybe I'm crazy, but it seems like the list of instigators and fiery guys on this team is limited.  I understand that BB preaches control and abhors undisciplined play, but  I just think this team needs to play with more of an edge. 

     

     

     

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