interesting look at roster projections

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    interesting look at roster projections

    The Patriots added some talent during the 2013 NFL Draft to a roster that was one of the four best in the NFL last year.

    Come July, these players are going to be having a high-stakes competition for the last few spots on the 53-man roster.

    Who made the cut?

    Quarterback (2): Tom Brady, Ryan Mallett, Mike Kafka

    Kafka offers a quality third option at quarterback, but ultimately I think the Patriots only carry two quarterbacks this year. After two years, the Patriots needs to be able to trust Ryan Mallett if he needs to come in and start.

    Running Back (5): Stevan Ridley, Shane Vereen, Leon Washington, Brandon Bolden, LeGarrette Blount

    Blount and Bolden might be in a competition for the final spot if Belichick decides to carry only four running backs, a battle that could go either way.

    Wide Receiver (6): Aaron Dobson, Danny Amendola, Julian Edelman, Josh Boyce, Donald Jones, Matthew Slater, T.J. Moe, Michael Jenkins

    T.J. Moe is going to make it very hard to cut him. If he doesn’t make the team, I don’t see any way that he makes it onto the practice squad, but I’d be excited if he did. I don’t think Jenkins has a prayer of making this team with the addition of Boyce and Dobson.

    Tight End (3): Rob Gronkowski, Aaron Hernandez, Jake Ballard, Michael Hoomanawanui, Daniel Fells

    “Illinois Mike” and Fells were two tough cuts and perhaps the two I feel least comfortable about. The three tight ends that I’m keeping here are all coming back from injuries, which is sure to make Belichick wary.

    Offensive Tackle (4): Nate Solder, Sebastian Vollmer, Markus Zusevics, Will Svitek

    Solder and Vollmer are the starters. Svitek can play both left and right tackle, while Zusevics can play both right tackle and guard. This is a very solid group of tackles – I love Zusevics’ upside with Coach Scar.

    Guard (3): Logan Mankins, Dan Connolly, Marcus Cannon, Josh Klein, Chris McDonald

    Chris McDonald is getting a lot publicity, but I think Josh Klein is the undrafted lineman that has the best chance of making the roster. He played all five positions in college, which will endear him to Belichick and Scarnecchia. In the end, I think that the Patriots try and sneak both of the UDFA linemen onto the practice squad.

    Center (2): Ryan Wendell, Nick McDonald, Matt Stankiewitch

    Wendell played very well in 2012 in my opinion. McDonald offers a decent backup option here as well.

    Defensive Tackle (5): Vince Wilfork, Armond Armstead, Kyle Love, Brandon Deaderick, Tommy Kelly, Marcus Forston

    Wilfork and Love will man the nose / 2-gap responsibilities while Kelly and new acquisition Armond Armstead can play the 1-gap roles on this hybrid defense. Brandon Deaderick is a versatilie guy that can play in an even or odd front.

    Defensive End (5): Chandler Jones, Rob Ninkovich, Justin Francis, Michael Buchanan, Jake Bequette, Jason Vega, Jermaine Cunningham

    In my opinion, this is going to be the hottest competition in camp, with the possible exception of strong safety. Vega and Bequette could very easily switch roles, but I’m going to give the former 3rd round pick the benefit of the doubt. I think this is a do or die year for Cunningham. If the Patriots finally land John Abraham, this competition is going to get even tougher.

    Linebacker (5): Jerod Mayo, Brandon Spikes, Dont’a Hightower, Jamie Collins, Steve Beauharnais, Dane Fletcher, Jeff Tarpinian

    Collins does a lot for this linebacker group. He can play inside if he needs to, can rush standing up or with his hand in the dirt from the edge and everything in between. He is almost like having 1.5 players on the roster instead of just 1. Beauharnais gets the nod for me over Fletcher (injury return) and Tarpinian (limited in defense) due to his ability to play in the nickel defense and be a core-four special teams player.

    Cornerback (5): Aqib Talib, Alfonzo Dennard, Ras-I Dowling, Kyle Arrington, Logan Ryan, Marquice Cole

    I’d be fine with Cole as a special teams player and fifth corner if one of the top five guys gets injured. If Dowling is healthy though, he is by far the superior player.

    Safety (5): Devin McCourty, Steve Gregory, Tavon Wilson, Duron Harmon, Adrian Wilson, Nate Ebner

    I have Nate Ebner being the cut here, but it wouldn’t surprise me if Adrian Wilson is the guy. If Tavon Wilson wins the SS competition and Duron Harmon looks decent in the “money” role, Wilson might be the odd-man out. Don’t get me wrong, I think that Wilson still has a lot to offer, but there is a youth movement afoot in Foxborough. If the competition is close, they might error on the side of the younger player. If cut, Wilson would count $1 million against the cap.

    Specialist (3): Stephen Gostkowski, Zoltan Mesko, Danny Aiken, Ryan Allen

    Mesko might get a bit of competition this off-season, but ultimately I think the specialists stay the same this year.

     
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    Re: interesting look at roster projections

    No way we only carry 3 TEs.  Wouldn't surprise me if we carried 4 RBs so we could carry an extra TE.  Or maybe one less safety.

     
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    Agree with pcmIV re: TEs; respectfully disagree with rkarp on A. Wilson. I just can't see this guy getting cut unless he truly doesn't have much left.  Otherwise I think that's a pretty fair projection at this point.  May see a few additions once other teams make their cuts.

    Just my view.

     
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    I don't see Adrian Wilson getting the ax. Maybe he quits if his heart isn't in it, but for me it's Gregory who goes.

    Also, put Sudfield in the mix at TE. A 6'7" target with good hands.

    And some WR will get redshirted with a mystery hamstring, Boyce or Moe would be my guess.

     
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    Re: interesting look at roster projections

    Not bad.

    i have Blount over bolden if Blount can keep his mouth shut and hands to himself

    i also like Moe over Jones. Moe to me is a better version of Edelman, plays slot and Y, and has st value as a return man.

    stevie b at lb is a good pick. He is a tackling machine, and should be able to supplant fletcher and tarpinian. He was great value in round 7.

    i could also see bb going with 4 safeties...cutting both ebner and Gregory, give more time to Harmon who I think is going to impress people. Twiilson has a good year 2, and mccourty as well playing safety. Awilson sticks.

    and agree in the TEs...no,way bb keeps 3...hooman sticks I think.

     
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    I expect 4 TEs.  I also expect a veteran WR to be added. So, if I'm right 2 more would be dropped or moved to the practice squad.  I think Boyce will end up on the PS.  And, I think Blount could be dropped if he doesn't have a good camp/preseason.

     
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    Interesting though I think we will carry 4 TE's (given Hern and Gronk get injured and we run a 2 TE set). To get that  think we only carry 4 RB's (Blount or Bolden but not both). I also think Moe makes the team. Either because Jones can't cut it or we only carry 3 T's. McDonald, Connolly, and Cannon being flex players allows the team to only carry 3 Ts, 3Gs, and 2Cs and still have good depth. Imo Zusevics goes on PS o he replaces McDonald but I don't see that given McDonald can also play C. I also suspect Ebner might make it over Gregory. It's saves on cap space and BB loves to have a ST guy in the secondary. If you cut Cole Ebner becomes that guy

     
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    Re: interesting look at roster projections

    Good post, rkarp.  It's always exciting projecting the final roster although a ton of personnel decisions will be made between now and August. 

    I agree with the majority of your list but like pcm stated, I don't think we only carry 3 tight ends, especially because I believe Hern will be playing more slot this season.   We either pick one up during camp cuts or we keep Fells.

    Disagree on the Dane Fletcher cut.  BB loves versatility, especially from his LB core, and Dane's high IQ will help keep him on the team.  Obviously it depends where he's at physically, but if he can 100% recover from his injury, I think he makes the team.

    Lastly, I can see TJ Moe being a surprise roster spot.  I don't know whose spot he takes, though.  It's hard to see BB cutting Edelman because he offers so much versaility on special teams and being the back up slot, but if Moe impresses in camp, Julian could be looking at his last days in NE.

    You should bump this thread in August to see how accurate this rather premature prediction is.

     
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    Also, I don't see BB keeping both Blount and Bolden.  I think the fact that we just invested a draft pick in Blount, he is the favorite to get that last RB spot.  

    I don't know if the substance suspension put Bolden in BB's doghouse, but he wasn't even used when he came back off his suspension.  It's too bad because I really like what he brought to the run game.  

    Let's just hope Blount doesn't cause any fights in camp.  I'm rooting for him.

     
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    What happens if they pick up Abraham?

     
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    What happens if they pick up Abraham?



    Then probably either Love or Deaderick are gone.

     
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    What happens if they pick up Abraham?

     



    Then probably either Love or Deaderick are gone.

     



    No way imo. BB isn't going to replace a 300 lb DT with Abe. More likely Bequette, Francis or Buchanan gets the axe.

     
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    In response to pcmIV's comment:

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    What happens if they pick up Abraham?

     



    Then probably either Love or Deaderick are gone.

     

     



    No way imo. BB isn't going to replace a 300 lb DT with Abe. More likely Bequette, Francis or Buchanan gets the axe.

     



    Yeah, you're probably right in that it would thin out the DL a little bit but I just think Love and Deaderick are redundant.  I know they're good depth guys but I see Kelly being huge here which makes Deaderick/Love expendable.  It all depends on if BB is going to go more 3-4 or 4-3.

    I don't want to cut either Bequette, Francis or Buchanan because they're young and have a good amount of upside, IMO.  

    I guess we'll see how it plays out.

     
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    Re: interesting look at roster projections

    Nice thread, some pretty good analysis considering how far away from camp we are...wouldn't be surprised if it shakes down a lot like this.

     
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    I am not sure Washington is a lock either - I think both he and Blount have to really perform in camp better than others. A couple of the new guys may get a shot at KR/PR and if the are in the same league with Leon, the they offer more elsewhere. And if the first 6 games Bolden is present in camp it will be hard to cut him.

    4 TEs minimum. And Hoom may see more time as a hybrid TE/FB to justify his sticking.

    LBs - some wiggle room here with Fletch/Tarp - both good team guys - tough to cut both.

    Safety - tough choices all around.

    WR - same thing.

    PS - it will be very hard to get any of these guys to the PS, more likely an injury if they really want to keep them in the system.

     
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    Before i start projecting rosters I would like to see at least one practice or preseason game! I'm sure BB isn't about to just start cutting guys before even lookng at them. Donald Jones is an accomplished receiver and so is Michael Jenkins, Hooman and Fells both have a season in a Patriots uniform. Whoever makes this team will earn his spot and I doubt there are many who think their jobs are etched in stone ! TB,The Fork,Mayo,McCourty,maybe every member of the Oline, Amendola,A. Wilson. After that it is a war! I'm not sure that Mesko is going to out kick Allen for the job. The indivigual battles will be everywheres.

     
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    In response to BassFishingII's comment:

    I seriously was going to compliment him on his first non trollish infused post in over 2 months, but then he dropped in the "BB cuts Adrian Wilson" statement and I am not only speecheless, but it's seriously one of the sneakier posts he's put forth here because of how good the rest of the logic was elsewhere in the anaylsis, even if obvious analysis.

    You simply have to watch the sneakiness of these trolls. It can be one word or even a short phrase they try to sneak in there.

    I disrespectfully disagree with RKrap on Adrian Wilson and call his post absolute troll work once again.

     

     




    rkarp C&P'd the OP. He didnt author it

    www.nepatriotsdraft.com/2013/05/2013-patriots-roster-projection-draft-picks-find-their-fits.html

     

     
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    In response to AcheNot's comment:

    In response to BassFishingII's comment:

    I seriously was going to compliment him on his first non trollish infused post in over 2 months, but then he dropped in the "BB cuts Adrian Wilson" statement and I am not only speecheless, but it's seriously one of the sneakier posts he's put forth here because of how good the rest of the logic was elsewhere in the anaylsis, even if obvious analysis.

    You simply have to watch the sneakiness of these trolls. It can be one word or even a short phrase they try to sneak in there.

    I disrespectfully disagree with RKrap on Adrian Wilson and call his post absolute troll work once again.

     

     




    rkarp C&P'd the OP. He didnt author it

    www.nepatriotsdraft.com/2013/05/2013-patriots-roster-projection-draft-picks-find-their-fits.html

     




    so rkarp is the new Ron Borges a plagarizer??!!

     
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    Before i start projecting rosters I would like to see at least one practice or preseason game! I'm sure BB isn't about to just start cutting guys before even lookng at them. Donald Jones is an accomplished receiver and so is Michael Jenkins, Hooman and Fells both have a season in a Patriots uniform. Whoever makes this team will earn his spot and I doubt there are many who think their jobs are etched in stone ! TB,The Fork,Mayo,McCourty,maybe every member of the Oline, Amendola,A. Wilson. After that it is a war! I'm not sure that Mesko is going to out kick Allen for the job. The indivigual battles will be everywheres.

     



    Dude, Mesko is literally the 2nd best punter in the AFC behind Shane Lechler.  Don't read into the way BB creates camp competition.

     

     

    Mesko is a fine punter and as you suggest he's one of the best,now go look and see who won the Ray Guy award for being the best Punter in College football for the last two seasons
    surprise Ryan Allen is the name you'll find that award. Though Zoltan did make the Ray Guy watchlist 3 times he never won it. I do realize that Zoiltan is a regarded member of the Patriots kicking game but this the first time BB has brought any competition for him to measure himself by. Maybe just maybe BB is preparing for Zoltan asking for the moon after the season,when he'll become a FA.

     

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