Interesting Take on Value of Seymour

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    [QUOTE]The Patriots haven't pressured the QB in years. Seymour leaving was bad
    Posted by BostonBruinss[/QUOTE]

    They haven't been great recently, but they had 40 sacks last year. About half a sack per game less than the league leaders, Minnesota and Philly who had 50 and right on par with the best defenses in the NFL. So I don't think that was the problem, at least not last year.
     
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    [QUOTE] Borges would have been ALL TOO HAPPY to write a piece talking about how SIGNING Seymour, and NOT trading him financially sunk this team and cost them this guy and that. Sadly, Borges wins because we're all talking about it, which is all he really wants. If he posted here, he would rightly be called a "troll". He even looks like one.
    Posted by ma6dragon9[/QUOTE]

    Absolutely correct. When the whole of Patriot Nation is tacking leeward (or whatever the nautical term is), Borges is headed straight into the wind. And vise versa. That is the Borges method

    Now as for him looking like a troll lol In his defense, he only has the one good eye, so if he does look kinda funky, that's the reason. That and his greasy hair
     
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    [QUOTE]We missed Seymour's production in 2005, 2006, 2007, and 2008 too. The years when he was one of the highest paid players in the NFL. And I ain't seen Oakland winning much of anything lately.
    Posted by shenanigan[/QUOTE]
    didn't he have a knee injury in 06 and 07, partially recovered in 08?
     
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    Sorry,
     but the only pressure the Patriots have had on a QB in years was having Tom Brady sign a new contract.
     I heard Bill Belichick had Gisell in a head lock and Kraft was threatening to jump off the top rope turnbuckle and give her the peoples elbow!
     
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    Quite frankly I don't think Seymour would do the Pats any good now.  He's not playing like he use to.  Not even close.  Oakland got screwed, not the Pats.

     
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    [QUOTE]Quite frankly I don't think Seymour would do the Pats any good now.  He's not playing like he use to.  Not even close.  Oakland got screwed, not the Pats.
    Posted by garytx[/QUOTE]

    I agree...that ship has sailed. Too late now....
     
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    The thing I didn't like about the Seymour trade is that it was about money and value...as it turns out we ended up having plenty enough money to sign him and still sign many others (we are still after Light's retirement 15 million under this year's cap). We haven't replaced Seymour effectively yet and I would of liked our chances against the Giants better with him in the line up.

    Having said that, Borges is a tool bag that will always try to find a way to insult the Patriots and Patriot management, but he may be onto something with this value approach to everything we do. Borges is not the only one jumping on this bandwagon...Greg Baddard, Felger and Mazz have also made similar comments.
     
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    Every free agent has a value in the NFL.  With Patriot free agents, 31 jealous teams will pay maybe double that free agent's worth in order to get some of that Patriots mystique on their team.  That's what happens when you get 9 out of the last 11 division championships stacked up in the trophy room like popcorn in a bowl, and the other two years were right down to the wire. 

    For the Patriots to re-sign Seymour they would have needed to pay about double what he was worth.  For a very few players (Tom Brady, Vince Wilfork, Logan Mankins), the brass will pay top dollar because these players change the game, and they're going to continue to change the game.  The others can count their extra dough on the plane as they fly off.  P.S., thanks for all the good years when you were a draft choice.

    Seymour was apparently a health gamble at the end of his Patriots years.  When he went to Oakland he got better.  That happens.  For once someone needs to say congratulations to Oakland for being such an astute judge of talent.   Or, we could say that even a stopped clock shows the right time twice a day.  Given JaMarcus Russell I'd go with the latter explanation.
     
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    [QUOTE]Every free agent has a value in the NFL.  With Patriot free agents, 31 jealous teams will pay maybe double that free agent's worth in order to get some of that Patriots mystique on their team.  That's what happens when you get 9 out of the last 11 division championships stacked up in the trophy room like popcorn in a bowl, and the other two years were right down to the wire.  For the Patriots to re-sign Seymour they would have needed to pay about double what he was worth.  For a very few players (Tom Brady, Vince Wilfork, Logan Mankins), the brass will pay top dollar because these players change the game, and they're going to continue to change the game.  The others can count their extra dough on the plane as they fly off.  P.S., thanks for all the good years when you were a draft choice. Seymour was apparently a health gamble at the end of his Patriots years.  When he went to Oakland he got better.  That happens.  For once someone needs to say congratulations to Oakland for being such an astute judge of talent.   Or, we could say that even a stopped clock shows the right time twice a day.  Given JaMarcus Russell I'd go with the latter explanation.
    Posted by Paul_K[/QUOTE]

    Vince and Tom both took big discounts in their 1st contract after the rookie deals ran out

    Haynseworth gets 7/100 and Vince 5/40??? PLEASE

    Mankins got market value and then had his worst season, even if the knee injury contributed to the later games being especially bad, the Pats are likely already feeling buyer remorse on that one
     
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    There are a few positions you pay market value for to keep your stars b/c its so rare to find them elsewhere, they are:

    Elite top 10 QB

    #1 cover CB

    Mammoth all-pro LT

    Interior D-lineman who requires a double team every time

    10+ sack DE or OLB (or 5+ sack guy double teamed as a DE or DT)

    So Vince, Tom, Ty, Richard and MAYBE Asante deserved big $, 1 of them took less to stay Pats

    Deion didn't (but Seattle's 7/42 was fair and he woulda stayed here for a lil less), Warren didn't, Light, Koppen, Welker, Milloy, Colvin/Adalius etc. none of these guys deserve(d) to be paid as top 5 players at their positions
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Interesting Take on Value of Seymour : Vince and Tom both took big discounts in their 1st contract after the rookie deals ran out Haynseworth gets 7/100 and Vince 5/40??? PLEASE Mankins got market value and then had his worst season, even if the knee injury contributed to the later games being especially bad, the Pats are likely already feeling buyer remorse on that one
    Posted by rameakap[/QUOTE]

    Brady may have gotten a few valuable perks from the Patriots brain trust in addition to his salary.  He works behind a quality offensive line designed for pass protection.  In Welker, Gronkowski and Hernandez he has three of the best targets around, which helps to keep the sackers off of his back and then he gets more years playing quarterback, which means more millions for him and his agent.  Moss in 2008 was no slouch either.

    You don't see BB spending that many millions on the defensive backfield, do you?  How is a good defensive backfield going to help Brady's longevity?  This must really pain a defensive genius like BB to work with a bunch of runts, converted wide receivers (Slater, Edelman) and JAGs waiting by the telephone on defense, but if it makes TB a happy kid, go with it.  Winning games is kind of nice.

    Haynesworth if he plays his game is worth an awful lot.

     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Interesting Take on Value of Seymour : Brady may have gotten a few valuable perks from the Patriots brain trust in addition to his salary.  He works behind a quality offensive line designed for pass protection.  In Welker, Gronkowski and Hernandez he has three of the best targets around, which helps to keep the sackers off of his back and then he gets more years playing quarterback, which means more millions for him and his agent.  Moss in 2008 was no slouch either. You don't see BB spending that many millions on the defensive backfield, do you?  How is a good defensive backfield going to help Brady's longevity?  This must really pain a defensive genius like BB to work with a bunch of runts, converted wide receivers (Slater, Edelman) and JAGs waiting by the telephone on defense, but if it makes TB a happy kid, go with it.  Winning games is kind of nice. Haynesworth if he plays his game is worth an awful lot.
    Posted by Paul_K[/QUOTE]

    The lack od spending on pass-rushers and shutdown corners cost us at least 2 and as many as 4 SB's

    Brady was underpaid during his 1st contract extension, like 05-09, when the o-line  and TE's were average at best and a lack of WR's cost us the '06 SB.

    Brady has been well paid the past 2 seasons and performed to his contract in the regular season and slightly below it in the playoffs... he's also has the best O-line and TE's of his career and had a WR crew just as good as the SB ones of earlier in the decade that could have been even better if Moss didn't shoot his way out of town and Ocho stink so bad
     
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    Interesting take on Seymour? Its not like we wanted Albert, Love or even Pryor in place of Seymour. It was the fact that Seymour and Wilforks contracts were coming up and of the two Big Sey had the bigger injury issues and was more expendable.

    For a first rounder that has turned into Solder thats pretty darn good. We get a guy on the trenches on the other side and hes got all the upside in the world. 

    Issue is we haven't repalced Richard yet or gotten a impact defensive player that we were searching for during his tenure here even (some thought it would be Crable). 
     
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    Seymour was the best 3-4 defensive end of the decade, and potentially one of the non-Tom-Brady Hall of Fame candidates from the 2001-2004 dynasty

    Matt Light had himself a great career.  He was reliable and consistent.  He was smart.  And he was great in the locker room.  His humor and veteran leadership will be missed.  Hopefully Logan Mankins can bring his own style to the table.
     

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