IS The PATS Defense Better Then Last Years?

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    IS The PATS Defense Better Then Last Years?


    http://www.projo.com/patriots/content/sp_fbn_pats_web_donaldson_29_04-29-09_R0E6OE2_v2.1e9ef0a.html
     
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    Re: IS The PATS Defense Better Then Last Years?

    With Bodden and our young guys improving this defense should be better on paper. I still believe that Pittsburgh has a better 3-4 D than the Pats, however, the PATS Offense will return to prominence and be one of (if not the) best offenses in the NFL. Bodden is a very real upgrade over Hobbs or Deltha O Neal or whoever at CB. The secondary has been upgraded significantly this off-season. We have greater depth on the D Line and Mayo and the young LBs will be better than last year. The Pats D has to have far fewer injuries than last season. I know that's asking alot, but if the Pats can keep the D man games lost to injuries down this should be a very good defense.
     
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    Well, the way it was phrased in the article was if the defense, entering the season, is better than the one playing at the end of the year.  If you consider we get Thomas back and we added a number of quality players to the secondary the answer on paper is a strong yes.  The only losses are Hobbs and Vrabel (who hadn't been producing much) - Harrison had already been lost for the season.

    As a unit it's tough to compare only because you're talking about being in prime season shape vs. coming into the season.  However, on paper, it's no contest.
     
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    The Offense will be on the field as needed whether scoring or working the clock...so yes, the D will be better.
     
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    I'll never get back the 3 minutes I spent reading that "article". Dang.

    The Pats D-Fence will be MUCH better next year, especially toward the end of the season.
     
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    We need to try out Rosie in training camp.  He was great in between his injuries.  They should move Thomas inside until McKenzie gets up to speed.  We don't have two ILBs with the build to stop the run on first and second down.  But TBC, Woods, and hopefully Crable and even Redd could be adequate at OLB. 
     
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    I liked Rosie alot in the past but lately he just kinda fills up a lil space, nothing bad but not really productive at all.  I still see Bruschi starting ILB bc he still has enough athleticism to make a play and his intelligence gives him a head start, but i think it will be his last year.  NE really needs AD outside considering he has been very productive when the secondary can give him a little time which should happen this year with all the upgrades.  I still want Taylor though, could be the diff between playing in AFC championship or winning another SB.
     
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    [QUOTE]http://www.projo.com/patriots/content/sp_fbn_pats_web_donaldson_29_04-29-09_R0E6OE2_v2.1e9ef0a.html
    Posted by mosseffect43[/QUOTE]

    Dumb article as always from this guy. He's always crying doom.
     
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    I think if the Pats can be healthier this year, this years defense will be better:

    1.) Ty Warren missed and played hurt in games in the 2nd half of the season

    2.) Adalius Thomas missed most of the 2nd half of the season, and he was on pace for 10 sacks last year.

    3.) I truly believe we've upgraded at cornerback brining in Bodden, Springs, and drafting Butler. Plus Wheatley (who also missed the 2nd half) and Wilhite will have some more experience heading into this season.

    4.) Vrabel had a down year last year and with a possibility of getting a guy like Jason Taylor, or the fact that a Shawn Crable/Pierre Woods combo could end up producing more than what Vrable did last year.

    5.) In the middle Guyton and Mayo have more NFL experience

    6.) Lots of contract years espeically in the defensive line (Seymour, Wilfork, and Green) might end up in bigger seasons.

    7.) Merriweather has more game day experience.

    8.) With Tom Brady back I'm expecting the offense to put up more points which will put added pressure on our opponents offense to score. This usually ends up in more forced throws and mistakes.
     
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    [QUOTE]http://www.projo.com/patriots/content/sp_fbn_pats_web_donaldson_29_04-29-09_R0E6OE2_v2.1e9ef0a.html
    Posted by mosseffect43[/QUOTE]

         Unfortunately, no...I don't believe that the Patriots' defense will be appreciably better next year, than it was last year. Whats' worse is that their offense, particularly their OL, might be worse than last year. 

         The Pats failed to add any impact players in the draft. Specifically, they failed to add a pass rusher, failed to appreciably bolster the ILB position (find a replacement for 36 year old Tedy Bruschi), and failed to upgrade the right side of their OL, where RT Nick Kaczur, and the oft injured, 33 year old Steven Neal, reside. 

         That said, their secondary should be better...but not that much better to offset their inability to get a pass rush on an opposing QB.    
     
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    Re: IS The PATS Defense Better Then Last Years?

    TexPat,

    If the Patriots, like any good NFL team, are going to stay on top, they'll have to develop players from within.  You can't live on FAs and 1st round draft choices to fill a whole roster.

    I liked what Gary Guyton did last year in a limited role.  He's got the size and strength to play ILB in the Pats system.  Still might be a little stiff at times but if he can be in the right position (like Bruschi ussually is), he can share time and eventually replace his mentor.

    Obviously the biggest area of concern is the pass rush.  Seymore did a great job last year pushing the pocket but they'll need more production from the OLB spots.  A full year from AD would solve most of that production as he's still in good condition.  Can Crabble/Woods get the job done on the other side?  I don't think we know that yet.  TBC was effective as a pass rush specialist 3 years ago but is only a reserve.

    As ussual, you are too tough on the OL.  Most of the sacks last year were Cassel's fault early in the season.  Kaczur consistently rates out as an above average right tackle by all objective sources.  I think the Pats are looking for more upside potential in the kid Sea Bass, but he won't be ready for a year or two.  BB also picked up a OG that may be able to contibute relatively soon. The NFL doesn't readily have dominant OLs that go a whole year without letting in any pressure on the QB.  Go follow 1970s Nebraska football if that's what you demand.   

    No question the secondary will be much improved over last year (Delta was a disaster).  If BB has any concerns over ROLB maybe they can pull the triger on Jayson Taylor.  Either way, I see no chance the Pats don't improve on Red Zone and 3rd Down defense.

     
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    TexasPat3: I know I'm the eternal optimist,but I've got to think that the Defense will again be in the top 10 defenses in the League.As far as Oline is concerned I think Sea Bass is actually going to push for playing time at RT and Kaczur will move inside to the guard position formally held by Neal if Neal doesn't come back 100%..We both agreed before the draft that the Patriots needed to improve the Offensive line and they drafted 3 olinemen,and have another Wrestler coming in to learn the position.As for the defense they have improved at every position,the line has a potential of 3 more bodies in Brace,Pryor and Richards all three were All-Conference players either first or second team.Brace can play any of the line positions and he'll get significant playing time in his first year!Pryor has a great first step and he will challenge the incumbents for a job,Richards is the Sleeper if he plays like he did 2 years ago then the Patriots might just have a gem..The Linebacking will be much stronger in my opinion with the return of Thomas and the additions of TBC and the draft choice form last yr Ruud,they also drafted a good kid from USF McIntyre that coupled with a healthy Crable and another year under the belts of Redd and Guyton they are a strong unit,no I didn't forget Mayo! The whole defense gets better with the return of Tom Brady.No explanation needed,they simply will not be on the field as long as they were last year.Couple all these facts with an improved secondary and you have the nucleus of a deep in the playoffs type season!! All I can say is offensively they will score often.
     
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    Can't get much worse (31st red zone).  It's definitely different and that's a good start. 
     
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    This is not even a debate of course this years D is better then last years, last year we had no D backs that could keep us in the game this year we had so many D backs we had to trade Hobbs to teh Eagles just to make room. Our Safetys are better all around although not having Rodney back there in the young guys ear telling them where to go and how to play and what to eat and how much sleep they need and all that will be a big loss but hopefully Sander can fill that void since he was mentored by Rodney for 3 years. Bruschi should never be underestemated by anyone, he is old and he is not the same player he once was but he is still the same guy that came back from a stroke on share will and determination. He is one of the smartest veterens in all of football, he has that savvy veteren play making ability that we cant replace. Without Rodney Bruschi is our only on teh field general and this year he will capture his 4th super bowl baby! go out on top! laughing at guys like Zach Thomas who never won a title but were always considered better then bru.
     
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    on paper there is no question the pats defense is better.sure it remains to be seen until we see them in action.even though vrabel was older,his absence will be missed,and the young guys are unproven.springs,and bodden should be huge,and are needed.for the young guys need more time.for they showed it this past season.merriweather is fine.sanders is average,and it will depend on how long it takes chung to catch on.and if every position can do there jobs.we could see the pats throw in more blitzing schemes.instead of everyone dropping back all the time.
     
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    Re: IS The PATS Defense Better Then Last Years?

    Yes. I like their overall personell strategy.

    Assuming that AT and Warren (and the others) stay healthy all year long, I'll go out on a limb here and say all these numbers from last season improve this season.

    PPG 19.3 (8th)

    40 yd  + Pass plays 12 (30th)
    27 Pass TDs (31st)

    31 sacks (14th)
    INT 14 (15th)

    3rd 44% (26th)
    Opp Rat 89.8 (23rd)

    Every one of these stats improve next season. That is my prediction. The defense will be better. It will improve every week.

    The three biggest problems on last year's defense have been removed (O'neal, Hobbs, Vrabel). It is sad to see two of them go, but they are going to be replaced by players who are superior. Or in Vrabel's case, players who are superior pass rushers at this point in his career.

    And in time James Sanders too can become what he is, depth as opposed to a starter as Chung takes over at SS and Meriweather moves back to FS where he belongs.


     
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    From the little I saw of Crable last season, he should be an upgrade over Vrabel.

    He flashed some pass rushing skills, and looked good in pass coverage. He's also quicker/faster but not stronger yet.

    Best of all he had good instinct in reading the QB.

    Guyton made excellent progress and played quite a bit, especially for a rookie. I think he's the reason we didn't draft Maulauga. There would have been little upgrade. Mckenzie will be light years better than E. Alexander.

    The D-Line will be better with the addition of Brace, and with the other players playing for a contract.

    No need to even mention the DB's. They'll be significantly better.

     
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    A lot of us talk about this position or that position, this need or that.  Now if we're concerned about it don't you think Bill is?  He'll do his best to fix the pass rush and I think we can say he answered the call on the DB situation we had last year.  Our DBs are real young.  Either Crable or Thomas will be the pass rusher and we have a chance to go after Taylor.
     
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    I wonder how many safety/LB will we see this year at the OLB position?
     

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