It's NOT a "Must-Win" Game

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    It's NOT a "Must-Win" Game

    I keep hearing that it is;  it isn't.

    For starters, let's say the Pats lose to the Ravens. 

    Are they eliminated from the playoffs?  Not hardly.

    Do they lose the #2 seed?  Not necessarily.

    Do they still have a chance to win the division outright by beating Buffalo at home?   Yes.

    Would a win over Buffalo mean a home playoff game?  Yes.

     

    "Must win" means win or pack your bags for the offseason.

     
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    I keep hearing that it is;  it isn't.

    For starters, let's say the Pats lose to the Ravens. 

    Are they eliminated from the playoffs?  Not hardly.

    Do they lose the #2 seed?  Not necessarily.

    Do they still have a chance to win the division outright by beating Buffalo at home?   Yes.

    Would a win over Buffalo mean a home playoff game?  Yes.

     

    "Must win" means win or pack your bags for the offseason.

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    It's important that the Patriots show they can beat the Ravens.  They have not done a very convincing job of that lately--even when they finish the game with more points.  I think Baltimore is their toughest AFC opponent and they have to prove they can play them. 

     
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    I keep hearing that it is;  it isn't.

    For starters, let's say the Pats lose to the Ravens. 

    Are they eliminated from the playoffs?  Not hardly.

    Do they lose the #2 seed?  Not necessarily.

    Do they still have a chance to win the division outright by beating Buffalo at home?   Yes.

    Would a win over Buffalo mean a home playoff game?  Yes.

     

    "Must win" means win or pack your bags for the offseason.

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    Well, if the lose it sets a bad set of wheels in motion, and I hope they don't go down that path.

    If you allow the Bills to come up here with a chance to knock us off you are asking for nothing but trouble.

    I have seen this too many times. Buffalo, with nothing to lose, plays without normal rules in place that contending teams play by. They can run crazy plays, end arounds, deep what the heck bombs, go for it on 4th and what ever who gives a rats azz....

    Pats must find a way Sunday.

     
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    It's important that the Patriots show they can beat the Ravens.  They have not done a very convincing job of that lately--even when they finish the game with more points.  I think Baltimore is their toughest AFC opponent and they have to prove they can play them. 

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    The Giants lost to the Pats in NY on the last game of the season in 2007.  It didn't seem to affect them when they played again in the SB.

    I expect the Pats to see the Ravens again in the playoffs when it really will be a must-win game.

     
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    It's important that the Patriots show they can beat the Ravens.  They have not done a very convincing job of that lately--even when they finish the game with more points.  I think Baltimore is their toughest AFC opponent and they have to prove they can play them. 

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    The Giants lost to the Pats in NY on the last game of the season in 2007.  It didn't seem to affect them when they played again in the SB.

    I expect the Pats to see the Ravens again in the playoffs when it really will be a must-win game.

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    If we beat the Ravens and Miami wins....the Dolphins take over the 2nd Wildcard...not the Ravens...and actually a pretty good reason for us taking down the Ravens as well.

     
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    Well, if the lose it sets a bad set of wheels in motion, and I hope they don't go down that path.

    If you allow the Bills to come up here with a chance to knock us off you are asking for nothing but trouble.

    I have seen this too many times. Buffalo, with nothing to lose, plays without normal rules in place that contending teams play by. They can run crazy plays, end arounds, deep what the heck bombs, go for it on 4th and what ever who gives a rats azz....

    Pats must find a way Sunday.

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    First, let's be honest ... if we are afraid of playing Buffalo at home we have ZERO business thinking the Pats are a SB contender.

    Second, if the Bills have crazy gadget plays in their playbook that have any potential for winning a 60-minute game they probably should have used them in their first 15 games.

     
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    IMO, it is a must win for them.  They have to win at least one of the next two to guarantee a playoff spot.  If they lose one of the next two games and the Bengals win their next two then the Patriots will wind up in the 3rd seed.  No bye.

    If the Pats lose both the next two games they could easily be out of the playoffs completely.

     
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    Well, if the lose it sets a bad set of wheels in motion, and I hope they don't go down that path.

    If you allow the Bills to come up here with a chance to knock us off you are asking for nothing but trouble.

    I have seen this too many times. Buffalo, with nothing to lose, plays without normal rules in place that contending teams play by. They can run crazy plays, end arounds, deep what the heck bombs, go for it on 4th and what ever who gives a rats azz....

    Pats must find a way Sunday.

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    First, let's be honest ... if we are afraid of playing Buffalo at home we have ZERO business thinking the Pats are a SB contender.

    Second, if the Bills have crazy gadget plays in their playbook that have any potential for winning a 60-minute game they probably should have used them in their first 15 games.

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    Did my point regarding teams that can play reckless are more dangerous than teams that are still contending miss it's mark?

     
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    If we beat the Ravens and Miami wins....the Dolphins take over the 2nd Wildcard...not the Ravens...and actually a pretty good reason for us taking down the Ravens as well.

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    The Ravens are going to beat CINN next week anyway.  The Dolphins won't win both of their remaining games. The Ravens will make the playoffs regardless of whether they win or lose against the Pats this week.

     
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    If we beat the Ravens and Miami wins....the Dolphins take over the 2nd Wildcard...not the Ravens...and actually a pretty good reason for us taking down the Ravens as well.

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    The Ravens are going to beat CINN next week anyway.  The Dolphins won't win both of their remaining games. The Ravens will make the playoffs regardless of whether they win or lose against the Pats this week.

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    You do realize Miami is at the Bills and then home against the Jets....

     
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    IMO, it is a must win for them.  They have to win at least one of the next two to guarantee a playoff spot.  If they lose one of the next two games and the Bengals win their next two then the Patriots will wind up in the 3rd seed.  No bye.

    If the Pats lose both the next two games they could easily be out of the playoffs completely.

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    Even a #3 seed is hardly the end of the world.   You are guaranteed at least 2 home playoff games (if you win the first).

    And why is everyone so afraid of Buffalo?

    Here, listen to this and every time you hear the words "we talkin' about practice!" replace it in your head with "we talkin' about Buffalo!".

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGDBR2L5kzI

     
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    IMO, it is a must win for them.  They have to win at least one of the next two to guarantee a playoff spot.  If they lose one of the next two games and the Bengals win their next two then the Patriots will wind up in the 3rd seed.  No bye.

    If the Pats lose both the next two games they could easily be out of the playoffs completely.

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    The only way the Pats miss the playoffs is if ALL of the following happen:

    A. MIA wins their final 2 games (probable, but not certain)

    B. BAL wins their final 2 games (somewhat unlikely due to...)

    C. CIN wins this Sunday and LOSES to BAL at home in the final week (handing BAL the division title in the process).

    D. NE loses at HOME vs. Buffalo (very unlikely)

    That is the only possible scenario that has the Pats missing the playoffs.  That is not a situation that can "easily" happen.  It possibly could.  The fact that BAL-CIN in Week 17 would be for the division title, however, drastically reduces those odds, as CIN would be playing all-out at home.

     
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    You do realize Miami is at the Bills and then home against the Jets....

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    Yes I do.

    You do realize you are expressing fear about the Pats playing Buffalo at HOME, but you are expressing confidence in Miami beating Buffalo IN BUFFALO.

     
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    Definitely agree what it's not a must win.  Let's say they do lose this week.  Another crack to win the division next week.  If they can't get that done then I don't care too much about what would need to happen to make it. 

     
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    You do realize Miami is at the Bills and then home against the Jets....

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    Yes I do.

    You do realize you are expressing fear about the Pats playing Buffalo at HOME, but you are expressing confidence in Miami beating Buffalo IN BUFFALO.

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    Yes...

     
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    It's not. They are not playing to get to the playoffs. Raising the seeding is a nice to have, but is not necessary. Just look at how many wild card teams made it to the SB in the last five years.

    I would rather that they treat this game as an experiment... to learn what they need to to beat a team like the Ravens in the playoffs.

     
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    Here, play around with the different scenarios here.....

     

    http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/machine

     
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    I like the optimism, but I'm going to go ahead and disagree.

    1.) A loss potentially deprives NE of a bye to heal their roster (badly needed this season). 

    2.) A loss severly compromises NE's shot at having homefield advantage. I view that as a necessity this postseason. Stop and consider this: if NE wins in Baltimore (that is a big if) they will be 4-4 on the road this season. The average margin of victory in those games is about 3 points. NE just isn't a great road team. Outside of a potential matchup in Denver, against whom NE matches very well, I don't think NE would be able to beat any of these teams on the road in the playoffs. 

    3.) Yes, technically they would have a chance to recapture homefield and a bye; however, that would require yet another Cincinnatti loss and an Indianapolis loss to boot. Each of these teams has one hard game on their roster: Indy plays KC this week, and Cincy plays Baltimore next week. The chances, though, that both teams lose those contests are not good. 

    For all intents and purposes, a loss this week undermines any realistic chance NE has at making a run of it this season. 

    That, to me, makes Sunday's contest a must win.

     
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    IMO, it is a must win for them.  They have to win at least one of the next two to guarantee a playoff spot.  If they lose one of the next two games and the Bengals win their next two then the Patriots will wind up in the 3rd seed.  No bye.

    If the Pats lose both the next two games they could easily be out of the playoffs completely.

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    Even a #3 seed is hardly the end of the world.   You are guaranteed at least 2 home playoff games (if you win the first).

    And why is everyone so afraid of Buffalo?

    Here, listen to this and every time you hear the words "we talkin' about practice!" replace it in your head with "we talkin' about Buffalo!".

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGDBR2L5kzI

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    Actually you are only guaranteed 1, and guaranteed 1 playoff road game which the Pats have been beyond bad at this year.

     
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    Actually you are only guaranteed 1, and guaranteed 1 playoff road game which the Pats have been beyond bad at this year.

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    3-4 with no loss by more than 7 (each of which saw the Pats with the ball inside the opponent's 30 with a chance to at least tie within the last 2 minutes) is "beyond bad"?

     
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    Aside from clinching a playoff spot, I think this game is very important in terms of boosting the morale of the team. If they can get a win against a potential playoff team on the road (after disappointing last week), I think it would help the team rebound greatly.

    On the other hand, a loss to the Ravens, while not deadly, would be quite demoralizing.

     
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    It's a must win game for the Pats, they can't afford to lose the 2nd seed to have any chance of a SB run.

     
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    Actually you are only guaranteed 1, and guaranteed 1 playoff road game which the Pats have been beyond bad at this year.

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    3-4 with no loss by more than 7 (each of which saw the Pats with the ball inside the opponent's 30 with a chance to at least tie within the last 2 minutes) is "beyond bad"?

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    yes considering in those 4 loses they had chances to put the game away or win it on both the O and D side of the ball and couldn't against teams that won't make the playoffs. Against playoff teams that gives you confidence they can win on the road against better competition?

     
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    Well, if the lose it sets a bad set of wheels in motion, and I hope they don't go down that path.

    If you allow the Bills to come up here with a chance to knock us off you are asking for nothing but trouble.

    I have seen this too many times. Buffalo, with nothing to lose, plays without normal rules in place that contending teams play by. They can run crazy plays, end arounds, deep what the heck bombs, go for it on 4th and what ever who gives a rats azz....

    Pats must find a way Sunday.



    First, let's be honest ... if we are afraid of playing Buffalo at home we have ZERO business thinking the Pats are a SB contender.

    Second, if the Bills have crazy gadget plays in their playbook that have any potential for winning a 60-minute game they probably should have used them in their first 15 games.

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    At this stage how many of us believe they are a Super Bowl contender?  Pre injuries? Sure. Your bigger point is spot on however.

     
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    yes considering in those 4 loses they had chances to put the game away or win it on both the O and D side of the ball and couldn't against teams that won't make the playoffs. Against playoff teams that gives you confidence they can win on the road against better competition?

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    Seeing as how they DID come through in pressure-filled situations in the final minute of the 4th quarter @Buffalo (on offense), @Atlanta (on defense), vs.New Orleans (on offense), vs.Denver (on offense) and vs. Cleveland (on offense); not to mention the well-publicized questionable officiating at the end of both the Carolina and Jets games... why wouldn't you have confidence in them?

    No team in the NFL is more battle-tested in tense 60-minute battles.  While I might doubt the talent level of the remaining roster, considering the Pro Bowl talent on IR, I have no doubts about the intestinal fortitude of this team, which is what you need to perform on the road.

     

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