Re: Jets Erred in Taking Coples Over Chandler Jones?
posted at 5/7/2012 6:30 PM EDT
In Response to Re: Jets Erred in Taking Coples Over Chandler Jones?
[QUOTE]Why was Vernon Gholston a bust? People act like they knew all along now, and all the people around here that liked him have developed amnesia. People now say he was just a workout warrior. He wasn't, he was a leader in sacks in the big 10 and faced some very good tackles like Jake Long (and was the only guy to beat him for a sack his last season). Mayock had him as the fourth best player in 08. You can google his scouting reports almost everyone had him as a top 10 pick and those that didn't had him as a first rounder still. How could everyone come to the same conclusion, and everyone be wrong. How about Jared Allen a 4th round pick, and considered a reach at that. You can easily find players who were bigger, stronger, faster, and came from bigger schools. Richard Seymour recorded 1.5 sacks his senior year. I really don't know. The only thing amazing about Jones is his arm length, the rest of his numbers and his production was good but not great. Coples is bigger, and faster but hes not the biggest or fastest. His build is not exceptionally rare for NFL players. I'd be happy if they drafted either guy, but the biggest reason I'm happy is that BBs last three first round DLineman were Seymour, Warren, and Wilfork and I trust his judgement. But there no discernible reason from what I've seen why one is should be much better than the other.
Posted by shenanigan[/QUOTE]
You do make some very good points and quite honestly what you are saying is the NFL draft in a nut shell, however I think Gholston and Coples have something in common...lack of heart. I remember watching Gholston play in the most important game of his life before he left for the draft, and I couldn't believe what a dog he was. This was a guy with all world talent and he was getting pushed around, not chasing down plays and he could care less about putting his body in a pile. From everything I've read about Coples, he has some similar traits.
I will always bet against a defensive lineman that doesn't have heart or is known for not giving max effort. When you weigh 260 plus pounds and have to move guys that are 300 plus pounds, it is very hard to do if you historically aren't an effort type of guy. I've just seen too many of these types fail.
There have been some guys that had amazing talent, but with questionable desire/heart that have done well...Chester McGlocton, Trevor Price, Haynesworth, but most of these types are big disappointments. The three I mentioned above were no picnics either.