Re: Loss is John Foxs fault NOT Jugheads...
posted at 1/13/2013 12:14 PM EST
In response to UD6's comment:
In response to zbellino's comment:
It's not the first two picks, but the last one was ugly and unclutch. In sudden death OT, you have to reign it in. A turnover at that part of the field ends the game.
Terrible situational football, terrible execution of a pass outside the pocket (Manning is terrible if you make him move), terrible decision to release the ball.
Taking the sack, fine. Throw the ball into the dirt, you are outside the pocket. It's not intentional grounding.
As far as who contributed to that loss, certainly not special teams, or most of the other offensive players, Hillman (who ran like a man possessed) included.
Yeah, the defense let up a TD. Then again, they also had to protect the field close to 15 times, which does make 38 points a little more palatable. But yeah the over the top TD was inexcusable.
Still, when you get a running performance against the Ravens like that from Hillman, and two special teams TDs, not only at home but in Denver (maybe the toughest place to play on the road in the NFL) you would think Manning would be able to deliver.
Then again if you watched his whole career .... you would assume he wouldn't as well.
Z - you are showing your bias. You are making excuses for the defense?
Not really. 38 points over 15 drives is bad. Not "the worst butt kicking ever" bad, people give up 40+ in four quarters of play sometimes. But they forced Baltimore to punt, they got the ball back to the offense many times, they didn't let Baltimore keep Manning on the sideline, Denver accumulated the lion's share of TOP. They did *some* things well.
But 21 points over 16 drives by the Denver offense, is worse. 16 chances to come away with points, and only three worked. That is very, very bad. A 58 QBR is very bad.
And the INT was the worst mistake of the game, followed very closely by the TD over the top, which was inexcusable ... but not game/season ending.
Bias, my friend, would be refusing to lay blame at Manning's feet. A large, large portion.
Or deflecting and pretending that Manning didn't make a huge, game ending error.
Yeah, Fox takes blame, HC's always must. But you don't divide blame between players and coaches. You divide between players and players, who got the job done, who did not. Coaches ultimately have to take blame regardless, because it's their job to make sure their players, Manning and the defense included, are ready to play.
So Fox takes blame for the defense, yes, he takes blame for Manning's terrible play as well. You have to coach that better, even if Manning should *know* at this stage in his career what situational foootball is, and when not to go gunslinging.
The defense was very bad too. Manning was worse than either. He cost them the game, and did very little to win it for them.