Re: Luck Looks Sensational Again
posted at 8/20/2012 11:15 AM EDT
In Response to Re: Luck Looks Sensational Again
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Luck Looks Sensational Again : Ahh, they knew that Manning was going to be gone the entire season but didn't put him on the IR (wasting an entire roster spot), didn't get any type of respectable replacement (Painter I mean really?), extremely poor in game management, ran vanilla D's and O's even with chances to win the game, didn't win a single game until they were questioned about throwing games, a puppet coach who looked like he was running a high school football game. There is no doubt in practically everyone's mind but Colts fans that the Colts threw the season. It's just coincidence that the best hyped QB to come out since Manning would go to the team that needed to replace Manning because they went from a 10-6 team to a 2-14 team in a single season? I would most certainly say tanking a season to get a franchise QB has greater affect on the game the legally filming coaching signals from an illegal location If you have any doubt google Colts tank season and look at how many posts from around the country have a list of reasons why the Colts looked like they were going to tank the season (mostly roster moves) back in early Sept 2011. It's funny because most of the reasons why they looked like they were going to tank came true
Posted by PatsEng[/QUOTE]
1. I don't think they did know he'd be gone all season, which is part of the reason they didn't put him on IR. In fact, knowing that Nerve regeneration occurs differently in different people they knew that the spinal fusion would be such that his neck would be structurally ok to play last season, but would the nerve regenerate enough to allow him to play effectively.
2. They try to get a respectable replacement. They tried to get Matt Hasselbeck but he wouldn't come with the possibility of Manning playing again. They got Collins who was old but had years of starting experience and a relationship both with Polian and Caldwell.
3. Caldwell defined his poor clock management even in the year they went to the superbowl. Can't use that as an example of them tanking. And this puppet coach coached a superbowl. Do you think they knew way back in 2009 that they were going to tank 2011 so they should just keep Caldwell in place?
4. Painter was the back up for 2-3 years and the colts kept with him. He at time showed flashes that he could be competent only to subsequently fail. I actually wanted Painter to start the season instead of Collins.
5. The colts have been running vanilla D since Dungy showed up in Indy. That's not a good arguement.
6. The fact is the colts were very injured last year beyond Manning, not just on offense but also on an aging defense. They had their starting MLB out and 3/4 of their starting secondary as well as other players.
7. There's no coincidence that the colts were "lucky" enough to get Luck, but the fact is it wasn't even a forgone conclusion they'd take him with the way Griffen III performed last year. Certainly there were logos galore, but that's a media driven thing (pats fans know all about such things, right?).
8. Look at what the colts are this year. If they were so good, then how come only one remaining oline starter is on the team. the starting rb is gone. starting Qb gone. starting WR gone. starting and back up TE gone. starting mlb gone. starting strong safety gone.
9. I understand that there may be some people that wish to believe the colts tanked. I believe those people may have an axe to grind given their historical success. These are also people who don't wish to give Manning his rightful due as to how important he was to the team. The quick comment is "they couldn't be that bad without manning". But, there was a perfect storm of things that was happening last year to cause this.
- polian never addressed effectively the back up QB. He never had to until it was too late.
- polian let his son run the drafts for the last two years which ended up being very ineffective for the colts.
- Clark was hurt. Collie still had concussion questions. Addai was always hurt. The oline had deteriorated. 3/4 of the secondary was hurt. the MLB was hurt.
- Manning was that important.
10. The thing that people don't get (or they do and they just don't want to admit it) is that each one of the players and coaches and front office personnel have to earn their jobs every year. With Manning's injury all of the problems he covered up were completely exposed, and these people had no excuses for their performance. Their jobs were on the line. If the colts (players coaches and front office) were all in cahoots about tanking, don't you think we'd see those people back this year? That didn't happen, the entire front office and coaching staff were turned over except for christensen. Players were let go and many of them didn't find a landing spot - Clark, Brackett, Diem, Bullitt.
You are free to believe what you wish, but if we take your note about posts from around the country as evidence, should we then strip the pats of their superbowl trophies for spygate? You know there are boatloads of posts from around the country about it.