Re: Mallett to Browns???
posted at 2/7/2013 11:33 AM EST
Babe is spot on here. I think you other guys are experiencing wishful thinking. On field play is about the only thing that matters. Cassell had that which is why he was as valuable as he was.
Granted Mallett's situation is a bit unique because his talent was projected higher than actual draft position, and because the guy in front of him is Tom Brady.
Regardless, the guy has little on field play to prove that he is worth anything better than his draft position. If he was a sure-fire guy, he never would have dropped to the 3rd. I've never understood why people blind themselves to facts like this and a little logical reasoning. Why, do you think, anyone would pay more for a player than his draft position when his play or lack thereof has provided no reason to do so?
Further, how many first round QB's turn out to be busts or marginal players? Plenty. Since 2000, these QB's were 1st rd picks:
Carr, Harrington, Ramsey, Leftwich, Boller, Grossman, Losman, Campbell, Young, Leinert, Russell, Quinn, Sanchez, Tebow, Gabbert.
Would anyone say that they performed to their draft position? So, why now, would anyone think Mallett, without a resume would perform well beyond his?
One can argue talent all day, but talent and performance are 2 different things. Regardless of talent, Mallett was drafted in the 3rd, and he has yet to prove that he is better than that. Any GM worth his salt would not begin discussions with the patriots without this reality being agreed upon.
Cassel was a 7th rd pick and then started in his 4th year.
Mallett was a 1st rd pick talent and is now entering his 3rd year. What is it that you don't get about a 7th rd pick and a guy whose only flaw was rumored "maturity" issues which caused him to drop to the 3rd?
He gets trained by Brady, almost daily and this holds no value to a GM out there? Are you insane?
Would you rather have Barkley, Smith or Mallett as a "rookie" QB in 2013? It's very clear what the right answer is. Cost, talent level, projection in 2013 would all favor the choice of Mallett in that situation.
You like to side with out board Irrationals because you are a Troll so it's covenient for you to do that. When I bludgeoned you back on Page 1, this thread should have been over.
Please learn facts and realities.
No one is guaranteeing this, but it is beyond clear that this is on the table at this point a distinct possibility, final compensation not withstanding.
Matt Barkley and Geno Smith are the two worst prospects to come out in a draft in years. VERY thin QB crop. Alex Smith costs far more than Mallett and Lombardi REALLY likes Mallett.
Note how the Trolls and our Irrationals who hate BB have all chimed in to downplay this possibility, while the educated fans here see the logic and acknwoledge the BB/Lombardi connection and it being a win/win for both.
Brady was a 6th round pick that has 2 MVP's. What's your point?
I don't know how much more clear I can be. Cassel played and succeeded, Mallett hasn't so the professional book on him doesn't exist.
Regardless of the reasons for Mallett's drop, he dropped. Just because he hasn't shown up on a police report doesn't mean he has matured. He is currently buried because he's behind Brady.
As for the question regarding Barkley Smith or Mallett. If I am Cleveland I just might continue to give Weeden a chance. Further, the thing about Barkley and Smith is that they've played for the past 2 years. We don't know what Mallett's done for the past 2 years do we? Sure he's studied under Brady, but is he any good?
This has nothing to do with hating Belichick. This has to do with negotiation. Unfortunately, you've got this idea that the NFL exists at Belichick's pleasure.
I may be wrong, but I remember people talking about the pats getting substantial compensation for Hoyer. Didn't they just release him for nothing?