Matt Cassell a Jet

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    Matt Cassell a Jet

    Patriots will franchise cassell. Sorry Cassell you will have to wait another year to see FA

     
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    cassel will be franchise tag and trade to west coast where his parents live and ect.. ny jet wont have him that new england pat would not let it happen
     
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    No way Cassel ends up a Jet.
    Pats may need insurance against TB's injury and may need to sign or franchise to protect themselves.
     
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    I predict Cassel will get franchised and sent to the Lions. Jets get nothing and still suck.
     
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    Tag & Trade! He won't be playing in the AFC East next year and we're going to get some valuable picks in return!
     
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    Patriots will franchise cassell. Sorry Cassell you will have to wait another year to see FA
    [/Quote] Doesn't that mean they would have to pay Cassel like 14 million for 1 year??

     
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    Matt will be franchised then traded.
    What teams need a QB.....?????????????

    Tampa Bay
    San Francisco
    Phildelphia
    Chicago
    Detroit
    St Louis
    Maybe.......
    Cleveland
    Kansas City
    Seattle

    There are others but I can only see him going to an AFC west or central team after the NFC.
     
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    Should the Patriots somehow lose this week to AZ and are eliminated from the playoffs, could they trade Cassel now and let O'Connell play out the string?
     
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    Patriots will franchise cassell. Sorry Cassell you will have to wait another year to see FA
    [/Quote] Doesn't that mean they would have to pay Cassel like 14 million for 1 year??[/Quote]

    IF THE PATS FRANCHISE CASSELL I BELIEVE THEY WOULD HAVE TO PAY HIM THE AVERAGE OF THE TOP 5 IN THAT POSITION AND NOT SURE HOW MUCH THAT WOULD BE.

     
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    The real question is which team would agree to pay Matt Cassell $13-15m/1 year gauranteed AND throw in 1st round draft choices to boot?

    That's the type of money Tom Brady and the very best QBs in the league make. I just don't see any team mortaging their future completely on Matt Cassell, even with his good season this year. Most will see a good amount of his success do to the system he plays in. Others will want to see more than 1 above average year to bet the farm on Matt.

    Sure a team could lessen Matt's cap hit by extending out the 1 year gauranteed deal, but it would have to be in Cassell's best interest to go along with it. So they extend Cassell out to a 4 yr/$34-36 deal with $18-20m up-font (they have to beat the $14m gaurantee Matt would have in hand).

    I just don't see it happening. Chad Pennington has a better QB rating and the Dolphins got him for a song this off-season. So too Kurt Warner. There's just no need for any team to go into the hole that big to get a FA QB as they would in what it would cost to trade for a franchised Matt Cassell.
     
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    [Quote]Tag & Trade! He won't be playing in the AFC East next year and we're going to get some valuable picks in return![/Quote]


    Delusional. Remember Cassell and his agent hold all the cards here not the Patriots.

    How do you trade a guy that is a free agent?

    And let's say you do transition or franchise tag him how do you trade a guy without a contract being in place? Are the Detroit Lions going to take a chance on trading their own players for a player they don't know if they can even sign and for how much?

    To even trade Cassell you would first have to agree on a contract with him, so if he believes he is worth 10 million a year on the open market why in the world would he sign with the Patriots for less? Then if the Patriots do give him 10 million a year and nobody wants Cassell or his contract then you are stuck eating it for however many years he signed for. For an example of this see Randy Moss. The Patriots got Randy and they got his contract to go along with him. He just happened to be nice and restructured otherwise he didn't have to do anything and the Patriots were on the hook for the whole thing.

    If you can't agree on a price with Cassell and franchise him then he recieves top 5 money at the quarterback position. You are also stripped off your franchise tag for any Patriot player until his contract expires.

    Get ready folks. If the price is right from the Jets, Cassell is gone and their is little the Patriots can do about it.
     
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    And let's say you do transition or franchise tag him how do you trade a guy without a contract being in place?

    Why do you post so long winded when you are so short on wisdom? If they tag him, they work out a deal, it's called sign and trade. The trading team agrees to a contract with Cassel, and compensation with the Patriots. Since you profess to be such an "expert" I'm surprised you did not know that. It's done all the time. But you're just a moron Jests fan who knows his team has no QB for 09. They will trade him to the NFC and the stinking rat-man will never get him! Have a nice day, troll!
     
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    Early in the season Cassel could only manage to score 41 points. He's gotten better now, 48 points against Miami in Miami and now 49 last week in the rain. He's worth the franchise tag plus 2 first rounders now. Peyton Manning hasn't scored more than 35 points all season, and look at the moolah he gets!

    Scott Pioli retains the right to banish Matt Cassel to the NFC, and he will exercise that right. The Jets would have to come up with something ridiculous such as at least 4 first rounders to make the deal work.
     
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    OK Bub, which NFC team will agree to pay Cassell either a 1 year gauranteed contract for $15m or a longer term deal that beats (in Cassell's opinion) the $15m/1 year deal with unrestricted free agency to follow?

    That's either $15m upfront for 1 year or probably closer to $18-$20m upfront for a long-term deal from Matt.

    Oh yeah, that team also has to throw in a 1st/2nd round choice.

    I don't see it happen, but if you have the trading partner and the type of package they would have to put in place, please let us all know.
     
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    [Quote]OK Bub, which NFC team will agree to pay Cassell either a 1 year gauranteed contract for $15m or a longer term deal that beats (in Cassell's opinion) the $15m/1 year deal with unrestricted free agency to follow?

    That's either $15m upfront for 1 year or probably closer to $18-$20m upfront for a long-term deal from Matt.

    Oh yeah, that team also has to throw in a 1st/2nd round choice.

    I don't see it happen, but if you have the trading partner and the type of package they would have to put in place, please let us all know.[/Quote]

    If Matt C. gets the Pats to the Superbowl, plenty of teams will pony up!
     
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    Grogan,

    If Matt C can win a Super Bowl this year for the Pats, I'd keep him and trade Brady for 2 first round choices.
     
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    People get hung up on the $14 million tag number and two first rounders. But if they tag him they can trade him anywhere as long as all parties are in agreement. They don't have to guarantee Cassel the $14 million, he simply has to agree to a contract. And the Patriots could take a 7th rounder if they chose to do so. The only way these numbers mean anything is if a team tries to sign him without the Patriots consent. In that case they would have to beat the tag number and hand over the draft picks. Most "sign and trade" players are traded for less than the stipulated two first rounders. These are the numbers for a "hostile takeover". BB could trade Cassel for a waterboy just to spite the Jests if he wanted to. Evidently Mr. 19 and 0 (is the 19 your IQ?) knows nothing about football!
     
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    [Quote]OK Bub, which NFC team will agree to pay Cassell either a 1 year gauranteed contract for $15m or a longer term deal that beats (in Cassell's opinion) the $15m/1 year deal with unrestricted free agency to follow?

    That's either $15m upfront for 1 year or probably closer to $18-$20m upfront for a long-term deal from Matt.

    Oh yeah, that team also has to throw in a 1st/2nd round choice.

    I don't see it happen, but if you have the trading partner and the type of package they would have to put in place, please let us all know.[/Quote]

    No team HAS to pony up a 1st rounder if they negotiate with the Pats and the Pats decide to take less.
     
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    Bub,

    What proponents of the "Tag and Trade" senario don't understand is that the Tag IS a gauranteed $14-$15m contract. Cassel is a unrestricted FA this off season. That means the Pats would have to Tag him first and then they could take trade offers. But Casell could take the $15m gauranteed contract on day one and not look back. Thus, Cassel would have that in hand and Cassel would have to agree to any other deal. Why would he sign for less?

    If the team wanted to extend it out, they would probably have to increase the amount of upfront money (why wouldn't Cassel want $15m for 2009 gauranteed and get another shot at free agancy in 2010?).

    So the Money to sign Matt Cassell would be huge. There is a serious question if the league thinks it's worth it. I also don't see it wise for the Pats to make a trade for a 7th round pick because they're likely to get a 3rd round comp pick by just letting him go and not risking getting stuck with him after the "tag". The Pats are a professional organization and are not likely to operate out of spite - just what's in the best long-term interest of the Patriots.
     
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    Dude, you just don't get it. So the Patriots are going to negotiate a contract for another team. This isn't basketball tell me the last time you have seen a sign and trade in the NFL. It doesn't happen dipstick. You either lock up Cassell for more then what you are paying Brady, tag him and get stuck eating not only top 5 or top 10 salary but the tag as long as the contract is in place. Or he walks away without any compensation to the Patriots.

    Like I tried to tell you Cassell and his agent hold all the cards so keeping thinking you can fix your sorry defense by getting compensation for Cassell. By the way huge Steeler fan could care less about Cassell or the Jets.
     
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    Hard to win the Super Bowl without making it to the playoffs.
     
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    Again idiot. Now why would Cassell take less from another team when he has 14 million on the table from the Patriots because of the tag? Get a grip man the Patriots are not in the drivers seat.
     
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    It's also quite possible that Cassel would sign a deal with another team for less than $14 million a year. Some team may offer him a long term contract and a guarantee to be the starter. Though the yearly salary could be far less than the tag number, it would mean security. Sure, Cassel could sign the tender and take the $14 mil, but should he sit or not play well in 09 that would lower his potential earnings for 2010. I was simply pointing out that just because they tag him does not mean another team has to pay him the same or give up the two first rounders. As long as all sides agree the terms could be anything. But I suspect (with some of the awful QB play these last couple years) there will be a team who will be willing to pay him well and work out compensation with NE. Of course, the Patriots take the risk, and he could sign the tender right away. Then he'd be on the books for the whole amount. But I believe he'd take a little less to be guaranteed a starting position. In any case, the tag "conditions" are only set in stone if another team wants to sign him out from under NE. All trades are negotiable.
     

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