Matt Cassell franchise tag????

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    Matt Cassell franchise tag????

    Lets take a moment to think about this...There are a few teams eye balling him right now and a couple of those are in our division. How long do you think Brent Favre will last? Maybe one more year at best, then they look to the future. What about Miami's future with Chad and Buffaloes with Trent? Cassell has proven himself in our system and Brady may not be ready to go come September. If he is how will the knee be come November and December? We need an insurance policy and O'Connell is not it...right now. Oh by the way Kevin has graduated from washing Matts jock to tightening his cleats. Two years...thats how long it takes to fully recover from an injury like that..two years!!
     
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    Matt Cassell franchise tag????

    Let's see how Matt finishes out this season, unless you have inside information about TB's progress, before we speculate too much. For now, let's worry about the Pats THIS season and start discussing the plausible scenarios after the playoffs.
     
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    Matt Cassell franchise tag????

    Ya and i'm sure Bill nver looks to the future!!
     
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    Matt Cassell franchise tag????

    This has been written about ad nauseum on this board. Do you know how much $ it will take to franchise Cassell and pay Brady? Do you know what % of the cap this will be? Find that out then look at how the Pats have done business in the Belichick/Pioli era. Then get back to us.
     
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    Matt Cassell franchise tag????

    Tri... To BB, the future is winning the NEXT game. Can't do much about next year right now. I don't think the team needs that type of distraction, anyway. Maybe the fans do, but, not the team!
     
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    Matt Cassell franchise tag????

    I beg to differ on your opinion on O'Connell. I think he can wash much more than just Cassel's jockstrap!
     
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    Matt Cassell franchise tag????

    Bill,

    Lets specualte about everything! LOL.

    It doesn't hurt.

    I sya yes,still.

    A.) The Tag is not a contract, which means until it is signed you don't pay anything.
    B.) The team trading for a player with the tag do not haveot pay him the tagged amount. They can remove the tag and let him go to UFA, they can keep it and pay him a one year deal at that amount, or they can negotiate another, different contract.

    For those reasons it is a no-brainer for NE.

    Tag him and trade him for a second round selection to a team that will pay that much for exclusive negotiating rights with an NFL ready QB. The obivous benefits are that you have a chance to securehis services for less than market value as you won't be bidding blindly against another team, and you have the ability to sign him without the ridiculous rookie merit(less) system, while getting a player that has already proved MORE than any college QB.

    So it is a no brainer. Get the teams who are interested in place, tag him and trade him within a week. Bakc to business.

    SOMEONE will be willing o give up a draft selection for Cassel as opposed to using that pick to get a complete unknown . . . heck it worked GREAT with Shaub who is performing (more or less) well in Texas.

    Moreover, Cassel and his agent Dunn are between a rock and a hard place.

    A year of riding the pine won't help his value, and he wants to cash in. SO there is little chance that he signs the tender offer at any point unless he is sure that Brady won't be back.

    For them to challenge the "GoodFaith" portion of the Franchise rules they would have to file a complaint with the NFLPA who would then be forced to go to bat for an agent who is persona non grata there, and is currently serving a suspension along with the owner of hsi agency.

    So the only precondition is that Brady is not declared ready to play, and that an actual tender offer is made.

    Then Cassel and NE can work "together" to figure out which options work best for all three parties (Cassel, NE, and the prospective team).

    I would be willing to bet that something can be worked out easily where all parties get something they want. Cassel gets that Schaub-like contract that offers more total dollars and security than a tag, he looks good by showing himself to be a "team guy"gets some imput(via the small amount of leverage he has) into where he goes. The Pats get some remuneration for developing and drafting a talented player. And as well have already said . . . some lucky team gets to use a draft pick on a player that they have a far better idea about than any draftee.

    Det maybe?

    Chicago maybe?

    Arizona a slight possiblity?

    Philadelphia?? He fits their west coast system better than anyone on the open market and would coast oodles less than McNabb.

    Oakland?

    Tennesee?

    The list of teams is exhaustive and a real price could be had for both squads.

    And if Matt wants to get more, he always has the leverage of simply signing the tender offer with his next team and simply moving to UFA the year after or signing another giant $14million contract.

    I am officially on record as refiuting Peter King's asertion that it doens't happen . . . Matt Cassel WILL be tagged by NE and then traded . . most likely to someone in the NFC and most likely for a second or very low first round selection.
     
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    Matt Cassell franchise tag????

    Enoch. The tag does not automatically compute to the salary cap unlessthe tender offer is signed. Period.

    This isn't a sign and trade as you can trade a tagged player without a contract . . this has been done many times,most recently with Jared Allen who was tagged traded and signed independently of the tag value in Minnesota. The Cheifs have taken NO cap hit this season.

    Cassel will not sign the tender offer in NE just to break balls when he can get twice that in guaranteed dollars easily wherever he is traded.

    The only way NE hs to pay that is if they need to (hopefully not) in the case that Brady actually cannot play in 2009. In which case they can remove the tag and go cheap with O'connel or some FA pickup, or keep it (doubtful) and have Cassel for another season.

    They will apply the tag, but under no circumstnaces will Matt Casel be on NE payroll next season . . . so no cap hit.

    [Quote]This has been written about ad nauseum on this board. Do you know how much $ it will take to franchise Cassell and pay Brady? Do you know what % of the cap this will be? Find that out then look at how the Pats have done business in the Belichick/Pioli era. Then get back to us.[/Quote]
     
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    Matt Cassell franchise tag????

    [Quote]Enoch. The tag does not automatically compute to the salary cap unlessthe tender offer is signed. Period.

    This isn't a sign and trade as you can trade a tagged player without a contract . . this has been done many times,most recently with Jared Allen who was tagged traded and signed independently of the tag value in Minnesota. The Cheifs have taken NO cap hit this season.

    Cassel will not sign the tender offer in NE just to break balls when he can get twice that in guaranteed dollars easily wherever he is traded.

    The only way NE hs to pay that is if they need to (hopefully not) in the case that Brady actually cannot play in 2009. In which case they can remove the tag and go cheap with O'connel or some FA pickup, or keep it (doubtful) and have Cassel for another season.

    They will apply the tag, but under no circumstnaces will Matt Casel be on NE payroll next season . . . so no cap hit.

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    It doesn't matter if he signs or not. As soon as they tender him, the amount is applied to the cap. This means they don't get to use that money until they decide what to do with him which means a lot of other negotiations cease until the point they withdraw the tender. It also ties their hands in the FA market. That 14.8 MM goes a long way in FA the way contracts are written. That is a lot of bargaining power they are taking off the table during a period when they need it most.

    And there is always the risk that Cassell does sign. He seems like a decent guy who probably understands the process, but players tend to get antsy and pissy when they feel disrespected. He might just sign because he gets mad at BB for tagging him. The way he has been playing, even if he doesn't play next year, his ability to negotiate a big bucks contract will slightly diminish in 2010 but that would more than be made up for by 14.8 MM.
     
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    Matt Cassell franchise tag????

    To franchise Cassel would cost about $14M. Brady is scheduled to make about $14.5M. Much as i would love to keep Cassell, franchising him would tie up about 25% of cap space on two players . NOT worth it
     
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    Matt Cassell franchise tag????

    Enoch,

    While any offer effects that cap, the franchise tag date is February 7th and free agency doens't begin until the 29th. The Pats have two restircted free agents , neither of which impact this deal with their salary demands. And their list of players going to UFA won't be affected.

    Second, the Patriots don't need to come into compliance with the cap until March 2nd.

    Furthermore, there is no rule that says the Pats cannot negotiate with UFAs wwhile being against the cap, the rule only says that they need cap room to make offers.

    After that the first time they NEED to clear salary is April 25th to meet the rookie minums for each slot.

    This deal happens qickly.

    Any of a HOST of teams would move quickly to trade, say a second round pick in that time to get exclusive rights to negotiations with Matt Cassel. Then once he is gone, the offer is off the table and the salary cap remains the same.

    As far as Cassel taking the offer to be "pissy". That just isn't realisitc at all. Under no circumstances would any player take an offer unless the thought they could play. He would not walk away from 10-20 guaranteed millions NOW, just to "spite" the Pats.

    Again, the Pats will do this unless Cassel makes it clear he won't sign with a team they trade him too.

    But I doubt he would do that, becuase it will hurt his negotiations on the open market.
     
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    Matt Cassell franchise tag????

    I'm confused about the timing of the franchise tag. The figure I see you throwing around is $14M. So if the Pats apply the franchise tag to Cassel, that means he gets paid $14M for 2009.

    From Cassel's standpoint, that's probably fine with him. He was one step away from being out of football, he's not going to be insulted at making $14M.

    From the Pats standpoint, wouldn't they need to be assured that another team would be willing to trade for Cassel at $14M? No way the Pats want to keep Cassel at $14M, the only reason the Pats would apply the franchise tag to him is if some other team would want him at that price.

    So, could the Pats work out a deal with another team ahead of time? Say for example the Bears would take Cassel at $14M. Can they work out a deal where the Pats franchise Cassel and immediately trade him to Chicago for a draft pick?

    I have a hard time believing that any team is willing to pay Cassel $14M. So I don't see how the Pats can franchise him.

    I think some team will be willing to pay him $5-8M, and take a chance on giving him a starting job, but I don't think Cassel is viewed as a superstar.

     

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