Re: MIKE WALLACE : 20/20 Vision Sux
posted at 10/29/2011 4:18 AM EDT
In Response to Re: MIKE WALLACE : 20/20 Vision Sux
[QUOTE]Prior to Tate's October 2008 injury, he was a 1st rd projected pick, so waiting a year on him to red shirt, so to speak, learn with film, adjust to pro life, etc, it was a pick that was similarly to what the Gronkowski pick was: Picking a talented player 1 or 2 rounds later due to an injury in his senior year. A clear, worthwhile gamble. It's a gamble worth taking when you have as many picks as BB tries to generate every draft. It's a numbers game. It's poker. No one really knew who Mike Wallace was unless you watched Wallace in college. This is a typical trollish style thread that's already been exposed. NE took Gronkowski and Hernandez, rounds later in 2010, and Pitt, amongst literally every AFC team or NFL team, has nothing remotely close to those players' talent. It is a crapshoot, not just for NE, but for all 32 teams. Enough with this childish armchair QBing. Thes trollish threads get really old. Advice: Anything Felger, Mazz or Gasper say, do a 180 so you don't look like an idiot.
Posted by RidingWithTheKing[/QUOTE]
Rusty...c'mon. No offence here... You know some great & in-depth stuff RE: Pro Football, but- How do I say this... The NFL Draft is not your strong suit. Really, it's not even your moderately average suit. Yet, you atempt to draw your learned & exacting "case-closed" conclusions on this subject, anyway.
Brandon Tate at North Carolina had 1...1 single excellent season. And by "excellent season", I mean super-star...super-star kick and punt returner. Wide Receiver? In his BEST season Tate managed to accumulate the massively game-changing yardage numbers, Of UNDER 500 yards, total receiving yards. You can beef up this offensive star's game altering ability, with an extra 150 or so offensive yards on some designed running plays for him...THEN you can wrap it ALL in some hollow argument, which concludes with: <insert-huge-number-of /> All
. But it doesn't change the fact that 90% of these "HUGE All-purpose-yards", was Returning punts and Returning Kicks...which he was exceptional at. But 1 thing he was NOT...Tate was not, lmao- "A certain 1st Round Pick." (i.e. prior to his injury...a MASSIVE Injury, in whic he tore both his ACL and his MCL in an instant).
So now=Rob Gronkowski. No...not even close. Gronkowski was a Top 50 player....EVERY-where. And this means, Gronkowski was in fact, a Top 50 player even AFTER he missed a significant portion of the first part of his Senior season (which he was completely & fully healed at the end of...unlike Brandon Tate). I remember reading up on his pro day at the time. Numerous scouts & corresponding sites discussed how Gronkowski looked exceptional. I even recall the "big knock" on Rob Gronkowski... What was it? A: His speed, and potential for YACs (open-field moves). Guess what...go back & look (I haven't even): I'm willing to bet that you'll find what I already remember- Rob Gronkowski's 40 time (either at his pro day or the combine), was actually BETTER than the #1 Rated TE by many scouts, Jermaine Gresham (something excellent, like a bare 4.6 40). Remember Gresham? Couldn't block (didn't even CARE to block), Issues with jobs...yet: AMAZING potential for YACs with his receiver-like moves...if he caught the ball, and if he didn't have to actually block). Gronkowski WAS the beter TE... Hindsight? I wrote this, 1 day post 2010 Draft (my own thread breaking down the NE players, which I do every year). You can go find it, I'm now on record that this is what I said. Gronkowski was far & away the more complete TE (i.e. zero below-average flaws in his far more complete skill-set for the position).
Aaron Hernandez dropped... Hernandez dropped on scout's & team's big boards, not because Hernandez was "unkown" OR "under-the-radar". Not 1 bit. Hernandez dropped, simply b/c he was one of those pass-catching TE 'tweeners. Dallas Clark type TEs. And this is something you DO know: The success & number usage of deploying a 2 TE set-up, is EXTREMELY recent. 2 years. Just a mere 2 years prior, even IF a team DID deploy one of these pass-catching TEs (and few even did)- They did so in the majority, in it's own right, As simply a single Dallas-Clark type pass-catching TE, who might stay on the line here & there as an added pass-protection, in spread offense set-ups (main result being to keep a Defense just somewhat honest, Even though they know as well as you, That you have a pass-happy Offensive system).
Anyway, like I said: Hernandez's skill was NON-questionable. It was how one would go about using someone like Aaron Hernandez...Hmm, not as good a blocker as a traditional TE, and not the true sheer various receiving abilities as a standard wideout, so....??? So he fell...but he didn't fall far. Hernandez's projected draft target selection area was JUST at the beginning of Round #3.
I guess the point I'm trying to make, is that you're wrong. Hernandez AND Gronkowski, Both were in fact, Draft Day "Values" (that would be the exact opposite of your argument- That these 2 were draft day "Reaches", selected "A Round earlier" than their projected spot warranted it). Rob Gronkowski WAS the #1 TE...not by all, but by those that live & breathe NFL Draft 365, 24-7. He was a GOOD value, still available for BB, a full 1/3rd into the 2nd Rd. Hernandez? EXCEPTIONAL value in being able to acquire a player, whom even WITH NFL Teams & Scouts, dropping him down the projection boards due to what amounts to his uniquely situated skill-set + physical set-up...Hernandez was a STEAL, still being on the big board, halfway through Round #4.
So I'm sorry here Rusty... Simply because you yourself, do not follow nor are as absolutely obsessional about The NFL Draft as many of us others are, It does NOT make the selection process a "Total Cr#pshoot."