New MVP...Welker the cheapshot artist

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    Am I the only one that didn't think it was some vicious cheapshot? The two collided, it happens sometimes in football.

     
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    Lost a step...  so just do sketchy crossing routes and "PICK" off opposing DB's.  

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    I'm not sure it's in Welkers best interest to risk any head contact. I thought Talib folded like a cheap suit.....

     
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    Bad thread!

    I expect better then this from our fans. Pats run these plays probably more then any other team.

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    this is not debatable.......      Talib was covering thomas.   Welker hit talib.  

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    The Pats do it all the time!

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    The Pats change direction, leave their feet and drill DBs before the ball is caught?  Really?

    Please stop. Off PI and a cheapshot from Welkie.  Not really debatable.  

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    Patriots do it all the time, Welker did it many times while a Patriot.  If you think Welkers intent was to take Talib out of THE GAME then you are an idiot.  The play is designed to take the defender out of the play.  It goes on all the time in the NFL.  Stop your lame excuses and your crying.

     
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    Bad thread!

    I expect better then this from our fans. Pats run these plays probably more then any other team.

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    this is not debatable.......      Talib was covering thomas.   Welker hit talib.  

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    The Pats do it all the time!

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    The Pats change direction, leave their feet and drill DBs before the ball is caught?  Really?

    Please stop. Off PI and a cheapshot from Welkie.  Not really debatable.  

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    Patriots do it all the time, Welker did it many times while a Patriot.  If you think Welkers intent was to take Talib out of THE GAME then you are an idiot.  The play is designed to take the defender out of the play.  It goes on all the time in the NFL.  Stop your lame excuses and your crying.

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    Sorry this is a lame excuse that Patriots do this.    You pick the player it is a penalty.   If you run into the player that is a flagrant penalty.     Welker runs straight into the best CB on the Patriots and injures him.  That is a malicious, flagrant Penalty.

     
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    AKA cheapshot

     
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    What Welker did (set a pick in the bump zone) happens all the time in the spread, bunch formations and strongside floods from nearly any WR. Call should have been made, but call would not have affected the outcome of the game. Any news on Talib's injury.

     
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    Came on to see which penalty or non-call the forum whiners are blaming the loss on.  Turns out y'all decided to depict a routine pick play as a viscious and deliberate (and successful) attempt to injure Talib.  I guess you're going with the story line that the Pats would have won with Talib.  You go girls!  Whine away!

     
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    What Welker did (set a pick in the bump zone) happens all the time in the spread, bunch formations and strongside floods from nearly any WR. Call should have been made, but call would not have affected the outcome of the game. Any news on Talib's injury.

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    but it may have partially legitimized what was setting up to be the referree bias for Denver.

     
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     Here's the actual rule pertaining to Talib/Welker: "If the contact occurs as ball is being touched, there is no offensive pass interference. When it happens all at the same time - the ball being touched and contact elsewhere – it is not a foul. The contact has to be clearly before the ball is touched for it to draw a flag."

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    Interesting... With that info I'm not even sure Welker deserved a flag on that play.  I also find it interesting that people are reporting that the Patriots knew the play was coming, that through the tv they hear a Pats player saying watch the pick before the play even happens.  

     
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    Referee bias. When Peyton shredded the Pats D because he had superior WR talent?

     
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    Referee bias. When Peyton shredded the Pats D because he had superior WR talent?

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    No doubt there.  why hand him these advantages with sh11ty calls...?

     
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     Here's the actual rule pertaining to Talib/Welker: "If the contact occurs as ball is being touched, there is no offensive pass interference. When it happens all at the same time - the ball being touched and contact elsewhere – it is not a foul. The contact has to be clearly before the ball is touched for it to draw a flag."

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     Look at the path Talib is taking then when he notices Welker he changes his path and goes right into Welker.  Maybe Talib was looking to take Welker out.  Interesting.

     
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     Here's the actual rule pertaining to Talib/Welker: "If the contact occurs as ball is being touched, there is no offensive pass interference. When it happens all at the same time - the ball being touched and contact elsewhere – it is not a foul. The contact has to be clearly before the ball is touched for it to draw a flag."

     

     

     Look at the path Talib is taking then when he notices Welker he changes his path and goes right into Welker.  Maybe Talib was looking to take Welker out.  Interesting.

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    I wish Talib lowered his head and just steamrolled Welker.  Instead he turns sideways and absorbs the low hit to his knee.   But when a guy runs straight at you And your focus is covering someone else  Talib is at a major disadvantage.  Welker delivers the hit it is deliberate.  f welker.

     
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    Here is a Pats pick during the game, clearly should have been a flag since contact was made before ball got to receiver.

     
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    Here is a Pats pick during the game, clearly should have been a flag since contact was made before ball got to receiver.

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    Wrong...  The pick has to be the guy who is manning up to the receiver....  which would be the trailing DB...   On this play hooman engages his own defender in the 5 yard chuck zone.   Not PI,  Plus the contact was ticky tack in nature not a push or hold.  Total gift call under the circumstances

     
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    Someone please tell me why do people keep saying Welker went for the knees?It is clear he didnt go for the knees so please explain this.

     
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     Here's the actual rule pertaining to Talib/Welker: "If the contact occurs as ball is being touched, there is no offensive pass interference. When it happens all at the same time - the ball being touched and contact elsewhere – it is not a foul. The contact has to be clearly before the ball is touched for it to draw a flag."

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     Look at the path Talib is taking then when he notices Welker he changes his path and goes right into Welker.  Maybe Talib was looking to take Welker out.  Interesting.

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    Exactly!!

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    Or he was trying to cover his man? He was trying to take the easiest route to catch Thomas when welker hit him. Can't say I'm surprised welker did this. He is a bitter little man who has had his bell rung a few too many times.

     
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    Lost a step...  so just do sketchy crossing routes and "PICK" off opposing DB's.  

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    You mean like Edelman?  Makes me think this is taught in NE.  Go back and look at the play where DRC goes out.  Edelman is waiting, targeting DRC while DRC is paying attention to his receiver.  Absolutely NOT DIFFERENT. 

    Welker - Edelman = this tactic comes from the pats. 

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    His teammate HAD THE BALL, and Edelman lit DRC up.

    The ball was IN THE AIR (moment of reception/moment of contact were near identical) as Welker was dropping a shoulder towards Talib's knee.

    Kind of different.

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    Yes, that is the difference between a pick play, which is illegal, and blocking. 

    The NFL should fine Welker and the Broncos for that play, regardless of what Bill Belichick says.

    And no, it's not the same as engaging a defender while your teammate has the ball. One involves contact with someone who is defenseless, the other with someone is expecting a screen and contact.

     
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    Someone please tell me why do people keep saying Welker went for the knees?It is clear he didnt go for the knees so please explain this.

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    hes small... so hes low already.  It was more like knee to knee contact.  but Talib absorbed it since he was surprised welker ran straight into him.

     

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