Re: On Paper: Dolphins better than Patriots.
posted at 7/2/2013 11:41 PM EDT
In response to mef429's comment:
Disclaimer: I am a Phins fan.
It's obviously way to early to proclaim the Dolphins as division winners over the pats but i definitely think they have the better team on paper.
Everything the Dolphins have done this offseason rides on the environment they provide Tannehill as well as the Tanimal himself. Consider his lack of weapons last season and then look at his numbers. 3,294 Yards on a 58.3% completion rate. Pretty solid. The 12-13 TD/INT ratio is the only blemish but the TDs will rise with more weapons. Which Joe Philbin got for him. In my biased opinion i believe Tanne is poised for a breakout year **fantasy alert**. It would be a disservice if i didn't mention Matt Moore. He is certainly a capable backup that could easily be starting elsewhere and also knows the system.
The Patriots have been top dog for a long time and there's a reason for that. Well.. Two actually. Anything can happen with Uncle Bill and Brady at the helm. The Pats actually remind me of the yankees. No matter what happens to them they always rebound. TB is the 2nd best QB in the league and one of the greatest ever. The patriots dont need to hope their QB will play well like the phins management and fans need to. They obviously have the edge in this category.
Lamarr Miller is the Dolphins primary back right now. He seems like a Reggie Bush, Ray Rice type RB which certainly helps him fit into the offense. but he's a total crapshoot.... another back on the roster could very well become the starting RB. Thomas or Gray maybe??
I've always liked LeGarrette Blount and Ridley was pretty effective last season. He ran the ball right down the Phins throat last season and that's saying something. there's a lot to respect about the Pats running game in my eyes which is probably going to be relied on more heavily due to the lack of offensive weapons Brady has.
Wallace is the elite deepthreat the Phins have been searching for. Even if his numbers aren't as good as they were in Pitt he still helps our offense by taking the top off of the defense allowing the rest of the receiving corps to do their thing under less pressure. Hartline was the best wideout we had last season and he had a quietly great season. 74 receptions for 1,083 yards and 1TD while getting double covered all season isn't too shabby... Gibson/Binns seems to be the Phins 3/4 which could make solid slot options. Dustin Keller was the only Jet i've ever liked and i'm not just saying that because he is now a Dolphin but seriously, great pickup and he fits perfectly into the spread offense Philbin seems to be setting up. Could really turn out to be a high octane, explosive offense.
As i look at the Patriots WRs via ESPN i don't see anything of note once you get past Amendola. Speaking of Amendola, not a bad option but the biggest thing for him seems to be health. If he can stay healthy he will probably but up good numbers with Brady throwing him the ball but 1 man isn't enough nowadays (even if your name is Brandon Marshall). Now, i don't expect New England to stand pat *bum-bum-CRASH* in this department. Uncle Bill will probably make a deal for SOMEONE noteworthy to help out the receiving corps (wouldn't it be nice to have a Brian Hartline on your team?? ). Gronk is obviously an elite TE but he seems to be out of the picture for the first few weeks of the season and even upon his return how effective will he be?? with so many offseason surgeries and the downtime and comes with them how much did he train? The Pats would be dumb not to move Tebow to TE. i've always maintained that tebow would make a killer TE. The loss of Welker and Hernandez is a huge blow to the Pats offense and it is going to be extremely hard to replicate their numbers which were among the tops in the league in 2012.
Joe Philbin seems to be transforming the Dolphins D into an athletic and versatile one. This is a passing league and you need to be able to defend it. The D seems like it will be able to do that in 2013. The pass rushing in 2013 is going to be insane. Ellerbe and Wheeler were better pass rushers in 2012 than Dansby and Burnett. Add in Cam Wake <------MONSTER, 3rd pick overall Dion Jordan, Odrick and the pass rush could be HELLACIOUS. They also retooled their secondary. Safties weren't a problem for us last season as Jones/Clemons racked up 192 tackles and 6 INTs and are only going to get better going forward. The real improvement comes in the for of Corner help. The phins got the best CB on the market in Brent Grimes and drafted 2 CBs that have potential. Also, addition by subtraction by letting sean smith walk (or more like shoved out the door).
The Pats D looks relitavely intact from last season. That isn't necessarily a good thing. while they have some playmakers the rest of the supporting cast is lackluster and there isn't very much depth. Im a big Chandler Jones fan because he went to college in my backyard and he's a heck of a football player. Wilfork and Mayo are very solid that goes without saying and Adrian Wilson was a good pickup. i like him a lot too. but past that the D looks sub-par. Especially the corners. Talib is OK, i wouldn't call him good though.
Overall, i think the Phins have a better team. Yes the Patriots are returning division winners and the Phins didn't even make the playoffs but what does that have to do with anything? you don't get extra wins/losses based on last years record. no matter how you interpret the moves, the Pats current roster has taken a step back while the dolphins have taken a step forward. Either way it will make for an exciting football season. I wish your team luck on the upcoming season. If the Dolphins are going to win the division i want them to earn it.
Phins up and flame on!
I strongly diasgree. let's break it down by position.
Brady> tannenhill>Mallett>Tebow>Moore Pats
RB: Ridley>Vareen>Blount>Miller> Pats
the pats have 2 RB's who had 1,000 yard seasons in Ridley and Blount, Vareen is a very versitile RB who can play WR and catches quite well. the Fins just lost their best RB in Bush
Gronk is argueably the best TE in the history of the game, while i believe keller is a good weapon i do not believe that with the fins line they will be able to protect tannenhill long enough to get hi the ball.
OT: solder/Vollmer > clabo Pats
OG: Mankins> connolly> icognito> cannon> Pats
Center: wendell = pouncy i'll call this one a draw an arguement could be made either way. Draw
WR: wallace> amendola > hartline > binns > dobson Fins
DT: wilfork> Kelly> starks >clabo Pats
DE: Wake> Jones > Ninkovich> Deion jordan> odrick Draw till jordan proves himself he is not assumed to be as good as nink or jones
LB: Mayo> Spikes > ellerby> hightower> nink >wheeler>Fletcher> collins Pats and it isn't even close
CB: talib> grimes (assuming healthy)> Dennard> arrington> Dowling> Patsnot even close
Safety: wilson> Mccourty> reshad jones> clemons>
from this breakdown we can see that the only positions that the dolphins are better are at WR even if i assume that i am a homer and all of the draws go to the fins that only means you are better at C, DE, and WR