Re: Patriots draft record - a more objective perspective
posted at 11/21/2011 4:18 PM EST
In Response to Re: Patriots draft record - a more objective perspective
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Patriots draft record - a more objective perspective : You're taking a pretty wide berth here, I think. If you're going to go back to the 2005 draft (seven seasons ago), then you can't say "these are the only guys they have left from the drafts during these years..." The fact is that the 2005 draft, on balance, was a good one for New England. Mankins is a stud. Kaczur started for several years and was the starting RT on the only 16-0 regular season team in NFL history, before injuries cut his career short. Ellis Hobbs and James Sanders were starters and solid contributors (Hobbs on special teams, in particular) for quite a few seasons. And Matt Cassel, the 7th round pick, helped them go 11-5 without Brady in 2008 and then was traded for a 2nd rounder that turned into Patrick Chung. You simply cannot evaluate 2005's draft strictly from the prism of "what do they have left today from that draft?" That's flawed and unfair. 2006, I'll grant you, wasn't a good draft, though I think if you asked a lot of GMs about that draft they'd hold their noses and say, "stunk through and through." 2007 was a "trade for veterans and try to win now" draft. Meriweather wasn't a great pick, but it wasn't for lack of talent, which he most definitely displayed in college. 2008 has produced more than just Mayo, really, or have you forgotten that he also signed the Law Firm as a UDFA and he became the Pats' first 1,000 yard rusher since Corey Dillon last season? Slater is also one of the better special teams gunners in the NFL--not a "sexy" position, but an important one (he also was just a fifth rounder). Yes, there were some misses in the 2nd and 3rd rounds that year, but as others have pointed out, that was another thin draft class overall, and to come away with BJGE, Mayo and Slater from that draft is pretty good IMO. 2009 has given them Chung, Vollmer and, when healthy, a pretty good player in Myron Pryor, who was playing very well before he got hurt this year. They also signed Hoyer as a UDFA that season. Darius Butler? Well, that didn't work out, but almost every pre-draft publication had Butler listed as a low-first, early-to-mid second rounder, and had him as one of the higher-rated CBs coming out that year----mid-second is where BB took him, so he certainly wasn't going against convention there.
Posted by hardright[/QUOTE]
Do you even read the responses before you go back to the fridge for another Kool-Aid slurp?
I said on the team NOW
. But I'll indulge you a bit. Hobbs was a smurf who had trouble covering man to man any receiver taller than 5'10". Sanders was an adequate third safety, but started here due to a lack of defensive backfield talent. He can barely get any snaps in Atlanta, so let's not turn him into Polamalu. Kacsur was an adequate right tackle who had real trouble with speed rushers. Cassel's the starting QB in KC; how exactly does that help the Patriots again other than he turned into Chung who is already included in the list of 5? Meri rides the bench in Chicago; probably not exactly what BB was looking for. Benny was a UFA not a draft pick; this thread is about his DRAFTING RECORD which is why he wasn't mentioned...like Welker was a trade and thus wasn't mentioned either. Slater? Seriously? A fifth round special teamer? Isn't that the definition of a JAG, like Pryor?
Maybe if you could come down off your Kool-Aid high, you'd understand that my point was that if a team comes out of a recent five year period with 5 starters/contributors from its drafts, there's nowhere else to turn to but UFA's and JAGs to fill the 53 man roster in addition to the past two drafts. And it's still way to early to assess what he drafted in 2010 and 2011; some of the 2010 kids already have been productive, but not all of them will be - the jury is still out on McCourty after his performance earlier this year, Cunningham has disappeared. No rational person (yes, that means you BK) should be shouting at the top of their lungs how great either of the last two drafts was; we'll all just have to wait and see. But try to at least keep an open mind on whether his drafting record is open to scrutiny.